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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Marian de Haan 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Sally wrote re Tarrant: >I've also seldom liked fanfic versions, which seem to swing between Bitchy-Superjock-from-Hell (and not even good bitchiness, though he *has* a neat way with a verbal stiletto when he likes) and Sir-Galahad-in-Space, so sweet and virtuous and dutiful and noble and squeaky-clean that he makes my teeth ache (yes, there are similar version of both Avon and even Vila. *They* make my teeth ache as well).< And mine. The same goes for the sugary sweet version of Blake. Marian

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Re: 'Vilakins'
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> > though Vilakins is nice to > > have around as well. > > Vilakins?! Why is it that every man who isn't dominant > has to be seen as some kind of puppy dog? > Because a real woman wants one under her Christmas tree, to cuddle as the years go on as he treats her with utter devotion? Although I don't see Vila as being that loyal. I *like* non-dominant men. Better listeners, more respectful, more supportive, not only compared to egotistical men, but also compared to many females. IRL, most of us would probably want to accidently forget to teleport back up any of the men except Gan. Vila would be okay if he'd lay off making passes.

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Re: Avalon
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> [...]And, after that, she just never got the notice she deserved. > > And whatever she did, they probably assigned to some bloke > in Cadre #4 anyway. Got attributed to Blake, actually. Didn't Servalan go on a rant about how every act of insurrection and even mere happenstance troubles the Federation had got attributed to him?

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RE: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Louise Rutter 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Helen wrote: > Which brings me to the point that I know quite a few women who do > actually watch (etc.) Doctor Who to a degree that I would consider fannish, > but who don't get involved in organised fandom because they feel a bit > excluded by the overwhelmingly male-centred character thereof. While I've watched DW certainly to a fannish degree, the series just never inspired me to get involved in organised fandom. I attended the Who's 7 conventions to meet teh people I knew from B7 fandom and wouldn't attend a pure DW convention. That has nothing to do with the fact that the Doctor is male,or that the fandom is male-dominated (I get the impression) and not even anything to do with the fact that most of the female characters were incapable of picking up a heavy object and bashing the alien over the head with it, but just stood in a corner screaming. Doctor Who just didn't interest me enough to want to get involved and debate it. With a few notable exceptions, the morality is clear-cut black and white, the aliens evil killers with no conscience and no motivation other than to rule for the sake of it, the Doctor the guy in the right who saves the planet. It's fun to watch for 25 minutes, but what's to discuss? Louise

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Re: Sally-speak
by Betty Ragan 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Responding to Wendy, Neil wrote: > > I prefer to think of myself not as a shit-stirrer but > > as a crap-defuser. > > Very noble, very idealistic, but above all very futile. You're not going to > change anyone's perceptions of anything by forcing your own on them. Rather > you're going to get them digging their heels in. Indeed. There is nothing remotely as effective at getting me to ignore your posts, dismiss your opinions, and reinforce my commitment to my own position as taking that kind of insulting "anybody who agree with me is not only wrong but disgusting and stupid and evil" tone. By contrast, there are those, on this list and elsewhere, with whom I violently disagree, but whose posts are so well-thought-out and reasonable that they cause me to seriously re-think my own position. Gratuitous nastiness is never going to acheive the kind of results you can get from a willingness to talk to the other person as if you actually respect them as an intelligent human being. After all, if you don't respect my opinions, why should I respect yours? > On the other hand, you can leave the women alone and have them > unrealistically impervious to any kind of injury whatsoever. It's > one of those charming double binds that us writers have to struggle > with. Personally, I *much* prefer to see women and men treated equally in this way. Reading a piece of fiction where I felt the author was deliberately being "nicer" to the women because they were women would annoy me intensely. Both because that *is*, in my view, sexist, and also because, more likely than not, the result will be an inferior piece of fiction. (Hmm. I seem to be feeling unusually contentious today...) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ellynne G. 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:32:47 EST Ashton7(a)aol.com writes: > Just about > *any* hobby can sound pathetic to those who aren't interested in it. > Some > people like to catalog insects (B7 reference! <g>) and others like > to catalog > things in their favorite tv show. Where's the difference? > It's in the explanations. When I went through and counted every time Vader in the novel version of Star Wars used a name or title to address someone or speak of them, I said it was for literary analysis in the evaluation of character motivation*. That way, it was a good thing. If I'd been doing it just because I was obsessive compulsive about a show, _that_ would mean I had a problem. So, it's perfectly all right to know how many times Avon wore a particular outfit and under what circumstances if you add something about it's telling symbolism for his character (ie, did he wear it because he liked it or because he couldn't be bothered to pay attention to what he grabbed out of the closet in the morning?). Ellynne *If there's anyone who wants to know, Vader almost completely avoided anything that wasn't a pronoun when he could. He made an exception for Tarkin and Ben, although he never used a title with Tarkin (his nominative superior), although Tarkin and Kenobi broke even for nonpronoun forms of address (four out of seven, I think [but it depends on how you rate 'Old man' (insulting? familiar? synonym for father figure?)]). The big exception was Princess Leia. Vader used either a respectful form of her name, a title, or a formal form of address (although, like Han, he wasn't above making 'your highness' derogatory) nearly 80% of the time. As she was the only woman we see on the Death Star, pronouns wouldn't have been too confusing.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #104 - 19 msgs
by Ellynne G. 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:14:32 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> writes: > > > ObB7: I seem to be in a minority that actually liked Cally's red > Saurian > > > Major outfit. It makes her look chunky. > > Speaking as a chunky person myself, I wouldn't go that far--but I > > think it's a little conspicuous for guerilla work. > > > I liked it. > As for conspicuousness, well, it depends. In the dark, red is nearly > as > good as black for reflecting little light. And there wasn't much in > the > way of vegetation on the planet, it seems. Wasn't the vegetation red? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Sally Manton 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Helen wrote: <Reason 5 mundanes don't get into fandom-- when you describe anything we do, it tends to sound extremely pathetic.> Like sending all the way to England for 2-inch models of My Darlings to set up in front of my computer with the *gorgeous* Avonic wallpaper and the mumbledy number of downloads which is in front of a corkboard with Leah's cartoons and quotes from the show. And downloading the Nokia chimes when someone found them for me even though I have no use for it yet? Pathetic? Nahhh ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: birdsOddly, the Federation seemed to populate the galaxy with o...
by Ashton7＠aol.com 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/19/01 2:54:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << he Ruddy Duck has extended its range into Spain, where it readily hybridises with the native White-Headed Duck. Admittedly it was Brits who let the Ruddy fly free in the first place. A cull is now underway. >> Nobody tell Bizarro7 Blake! ;-) Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Tavia Chalcraft 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Annie wrote: >About as pathetic as grown men and women wandering around hitting >a tiny ball with a stick (golf) .... [some more hilarious examples cut] >Just about *any* hobby can sound pathetic to those who aren't >interested in it. Some people like to catalog insects (B7 reference! <g>) >and others like to catalog things in their favorite tv show. >Where's the difference? There are some very obvious differences between sporting pursuits and television/computer-based pursuits. My usual retort to those who classify fandom with trainspotting (ie most of my acquaintance) is that nearly everyone watches television (some fans less than average), non-fans are content to sit and watch, while fans try to participate in social and/or creative ways. Tavia http://www.viragene.com/

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