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Re: the patriarchy
by Marian de Haan 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Helen wrote: >Of course, Cally and Jenna should have had better roles with more leadership.< This leads to the interesting question of how the men would have felt about being led by a woman :-) I can't see Blake wanting to serve under *anyone*, male or female. I don't think Avon would care who was boss, as long as he felt safe and was allowed to pursue his own interests. It wouldn't make any difference to Vila, I think, although he might moan a bit louder if forced into action by a woman (especially one without what he considers "good legs" :-) ). I've got a sneaking suspicion that Tarrant would resent it, and I can't make up my mind about Gan. And how would the women have felt about it? Would Jenna have wanted to serve under Cally, or Cally under Jenna? Dayna, still being very young, wouldn't have minded if Cally had taken the reins of Liberator. I'm not sure about her reaction if Soolin had taken charge. Fascinating topic. Marian

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Re: [B7L] characters vs interesting stuff
by Sally Manton 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: <Really?! Admittedly I don't write fiction, but I'm curious as to how you can do a character story without a plot. 'Splain zis to me...> As a fan of B7, you ought to know that lack of (coherent) plot never stopped Our Heroes ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by Sally Manton 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

After Dayna wrote: <Well, yes. But IMO, this one was very well adapted for Avon (presumably by Chris Boucher?), and "Animals" didn't work in large part precisely *because* it didn't fit with Dayna in Cally's role (sorry, Una!).> Agreed, Deliverance *was* well adapted - non eof Avon's lines come over as Blake-ish, and Vila's chorus bit (which would *never* have been the same had it been Blake) has clearly been expanded. You'd never know from the episode that there was such a big last-minute change. Animals ... umm, well, Dayna does have all those very Cally-ish lines, and that relationship with <shudder> Justin ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Torture
by B7Morrigan＠aol.com 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: > My take on h/c is completely different. I did an article on it in AltaZine > 3, where I proposed that the Patient (usually Avon) is the actual character, > but the Nurse (the comforter) was a surrogate for the writer/reader - a kind > of Mary-Sue in disguise. I agree that the comforter can be a surrogate for the writer/reader but I don't agree with your other points, Neil. <snip> > The dynamic here is one of levelling off - or reversing - a perceived imbalance > of power to facilitate access to the Patient. <snip> > Basically, A-C or A-V h/c fic is about the symbolic death of a cold, > arrogant, supercilious bastard and his symbolic rebirth as an understanding > nice guy. Interesting that you should think so. I don't see how that would come about unless Avon were the comfortee. Of the h-c I've read (and I claim no great experience in this area though I'll admit to both perpetrating and reading the genre) where Avon is the one hurt, he gets to lie about in terrible agony (looking marvelous) and does not appear to be changed at all by the experience. As I perceive it, the real focus in h-c is upon the relationship(s) between the other character(s) and the one who is hurt. Any marked change or growth occurs in the comforter's perspective of the one who is hurt. I see h-c as an opportunity for the author to place a particular character on a pedestal or in the spotlight. Because of the threat to this spotlighted character, the others are provided with an opportunity to reflect and reevaluate their relationship with or their opinion of him/her. <snip> > - h/c is a means of getting emotional > access to Avon, who is in a state that prohibits him from shrugging off or > actively blocking that access. And this is where I agree that comforter can be a surrogate for the writer. By forcing the comforter (and sometimes other background characters) to reflect upon the character who has been hurt, the author is able to use that emotional access to 1) forge or repair an emotional bond between the characters that might more accurately portray the emotional bond between the author and the hurt character and 2) elaborate all of the sterling qualities of the character who has been hurt In other words, h-c can be a bit of a soapbox for the author. Morrigan

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Paul Darrow & B7 movie
by Nicoline van den Berg 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Hi! A friend just told me that Paul Darrow was interviewed on Dutch tv (Veronica) last week, apparently talking about the B7 movie. She doesn't know any details. Has anybody else seen it? Nicoline

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HErmit Library
by Judith Proctor 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Jenna fans will want to read the newly-linked stories by Vega. They're an excellent set and link into an internally consistent history. There's also a story by Emma Peel (apologies, I thought this was in the previous update, but it wasn't). There's what I hope will be the first of several stories by Helen Parkinson - however, I'd hold off this one for a week or so as there's some tidying up work to be done on it. (It's in the Library so that our volunteer proof-checker can access it) JUdith (off-list, but gradually writing a long review of Storm Warning on the other computer using the voice-recognitioin software) -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Re: 25%
by Mac4781＠aol.com 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Sally asked: > What suprises me is that Tarrant isn't down for any rescues - I wonder where > my image of him as Lord of the Cavalry Charges comes from? Anyone? Probably because he's usually the first to charge to the rescue when someone is in trouble. Which doesn't necessarily mean he always succeeds/should get credit, but sometimes he should, per my pov. Also, a lot depends on how you count a rescue. Is it a rescue if the person/persons to be rescued are in danger but not actually prisoners? Off the top of my head and probably forgetting some of Tarrant's charges/rescues: Powerplay: Death Squad trooper about to blast Avon into oblivion; Tarrant saves him. And one might count Tarrant's timely intervention when he knocked Avon unconscious and prevented Klegg from identifying Avon, but I'm not sure Avon would count it. He'd probably feel Tarrant should have come up with a less personally painful-to-him intervention. :) Volcano: Tarrant and Dayna rescue Cally. One could argue which of them should get credit, but I'd allot it equally. Tarrant makes the decision that they *should* attempt the rescue (Dayna might possibly have declined if on her own). Then Tarrant gets shot and it's Dayna who takes out the troopers with grenades. Dawn: Tarrant charges out to rescue Vila's "body." Tarrant "rescues" Orac by providing a cleverly deceptive description. City: Retrieving Vila is a group effort, but it's Tarrant who insists they are going to stay and wait for him when Avon wants to leave. Children: Tarrant's the lead voice in the let's go rescue Auron faction. Rumours: Dayna and Tarrant pluck Avon from the Federation cell. They want to pop back down to the palace to rescue him later, but Avon returns before the teleport coordinates are reset. Ultraworld: Tarrant is the first to voice "let's go rescue Cally." Dayna and Tarrant rescue Cally and Avon; again, I see credit going to both of them. Tarrant's explorations keep him and Dayna from getting caught with Avon. Tarrant's explorations allow him to know what to do to restore Cally and Avon's minds. Dayna uses the explosive to break the two of them out of captivity. Both Dayna and Tarrant free Avon and Cally before they are fed to the Core. Moloch: Tarrant and Vila: team effort to rescue Dayna and Avon. Death-Watch: Team effort, with Tarrant playing key role, when they "rescue" Teal and Vandor from the Federation. Terminal: Cally and Tarrant charge down to protect Avon's back. I could continue through fourth season, but I think the above paints enough of a picture to answer the question. Carol Mc

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Re: the patriarchy
by Harriet Monkhouse 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Helen wrote: >That's what I'd do to get rid of the bias >that was inherent in the series-- the main >one being that the nice girls let the boys >be leader instead of pushing their own agendas. From what they told us - at Deliverance, oddly enough - the problem was that the nice actresses didn't realise they should collar the scriptwriter and ask for more to do, and the boys did. Harriet

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Re: [B7L] Re:hurt/comfort-- why Avon?
by Tavia Chalcraft 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Sally wrote: >Avon does give the *impression* of vulnerability under those shields, and >Gan doesn't. Whether it's canonically true doesn't really matter in this instance, >methinks, since fanfic writers are as much influenced (if not more so) >by what they read into the characters as what is strictly on screen. One of the strange things about fanfic is that it's definitely more inspired by other fanfic and fanon (either in positive or negative, 'I don't believe that!' sense) than by canon... So possibly the answer to 'why Avon' is that there's an archetypal Avon torture myth, now lost in the mists of time, that every h/c story is ultimately descended from ... Tavia

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48 hour warning
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

All 22 of the BLAKES 7 items currently running on the Ashton Press eBay auction will be ending in about 48 hours. Remember that these include photos exclusive to Ashton Press and single copies of classic and rare B7 fanzines from the 1980's and early 1990's. Take a moment for a quick peek before they are gone for good; some great treasures to be had at a bargain. Remember that it's *free* to register to bid on eBay. Good luck! http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/

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