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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Tavia Chalcraft 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Sally wrote: >how *can* you claim that the ideas and themes of a story would >*not* reflect the author's prejudices? I would've said that was the *most* >likely place his own mindset would imprint, even more so than the characters >he invents to illustrate those ideas. I try very hard not to imprint my own ideas onto fictional characters, largely because I usually find it easier to decide what my fictional characters will think about given situation than what I, Tavia, would really think were I dumped into it. Someone recently said of a B7 story I posted that they had no idea what the author's views were on a particular moral dilemma -- they were dead right, I didn't know either. I didn't need to know, all I needed to know was what Blake and Avon thought on it... Yeah, real life's complicated, messy, often dull &c &c, but can't one try to come up with a fictional version that reflects this, whilst cutting out some degree of the dull bits? Tavia

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Re:Delivereance= The Lady of Shallott
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Fiona, I respect your opinion, but I cannot agree that Lancelot was callous to send up a brief but heartfelt prayer at the sight of a mystery woman's body floating down the river in a boat.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs
by Sally Manton 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Helen wrote: <Tying this into Blake's 7, perhaps the reason for "Avon apologists" is that we feel that the majority of people will condemn him on the basis of likeability alone, and blind themselves to Blake's occaisional manipulation because he is 'warmer'.> <grin> I'm not being biased - I'm sure you've noticed I adore them both - but I doubt that it has *anything* to do with the risk of Blake being seen by hordes of viewers in a more positive light than Kerr (no, not even small hordes). Let us face fact. The reason we are Avon apologists is that the dear man does give us so much to apologise *for*. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Deliverence
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> Finally it's quite a poignant moment when Avon replies to Meegat 'That seems > like a poor reward somehow.' (Can't believe I'm presenting him as > self-deprecating but that's the way it reads. This is really an interesting line; the contrast in tone is so clear to one of his and Vila's running gags (although I think they may have begun it after): pronouncing, ironically, "And that makes it all worthwhile."

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by Sally Manton 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: <I've seen "Julius Caesar" played totally straight by BBC actors dressed as ancient Roman aristocrats, and I've seen it played by an alternative theatre company who portrayed all the charactes as working-class Chicago mobsters.> But have you seen the two mixed up and played with characters from both thrown together and pretending they didn't notice? That's the crucial point here for me - Brian Croucher wasn't playing the same character in a different production, but a different character in *the same* production. Bit like the soapie characters who go to bed with one face and wake up with another, and no one's supposed to see the difference ... <I also find your interpretation of Travis II a bit disturbing. So just because he has a regional accent, he's automatically a thug who has worked his way up through the ranks?> S'not just (or even mostly) the accent. His whole demeanour and aura is more as a heavy (or heavy wannabe, he's really not *as* menacing IMO). With the exception of the rather lighter leather outfit and that mouth. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Meyers-Briggs
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> But my introversion has always been apparent; > it's the T-F modified by P that I needed a real explanation for - I was > always getting criticized for my apparent lack of warmth, or getting > accused of lying when I was being completely truthful, because I don't > give off the same visual cues that most people do. I still have a problem understanding why people think that a person making small talk instead of getting to the point makes them more honest, or being willing to negoiate from wildly different stances on a deal (if I changed my price, that would mean I'd been trying to over charge you before, wouldn't it?) My office played with Meyers-Briggs a little to do team building excercises. I came away with a bad taste in my mouth because they didn't get into explanations and tolerence; it was more like "Make yourself more likeable to other people by being what they expect". Tying this into Blake's 7, perhaps the reason for "Avon apologists" is that we feel that the majority of people will condemn him on the basis of likeability alone, and blind themselves to Blake's occaisional manipulation because he is 'warmer'.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Joanne wrote: <I'm beginning to wonder if we should be grateful that Meegat wasn't an avatar of Zuul (as in Ghostbusters). <"Are you a god?" <Vila says no. <"Then....DIE!" <There might not have been the opportunity for Avon to whack Vila across the head and tell him the answer should've been yes.> Oh please let there be the opportunity ... I love this. Mind you, it does break Sally's Penultimate Rule (My Darlings Survive. Everyone Else's Can Draw Lots.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #44 - 16 msgs
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> I find the I-E particularly useful because it helps in explaining > something about myself and a lot of other Is I know - which is that many > of us score as extroverts on the more usual definitions, and behave that > way, thus leading to bewilderment on the part of others when we turn > anti-social. That bit at kiersey.com about an I enjoying a party for an > hour and then wanting to go home, *now*, is spot-on for me. > -- > Julia Jones Agreed! Also, I love doing public speaking, acting, and other things that many people are too shy to do. People think that's an extrovert thing because one is on display. For me, as an introvert, it isn't too intimidating because I choose what I want to show... the audience sees what I want it to see. In interactive communication, I find myself in the painful position of having to guess how they expect me to react to what they are saying, what they want from me, etc.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by Sally Manton 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

After Betty wrote: <Aaargh! Um, will it help if I say that I really liked Croucher in "Trial"?> Penny decreed: <No. You have to say you really liked him in "Hostage". And you have to say .it like you mean it.> As in with a straight face? Can this be *done*? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re:hurt/comfort
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Okay, I am realizing that as much as I don't like the *sound* of the genre, in a (sort of) PGP I was writing once, "Blake" never happened, the whole ep was Avon hallucinating, and the whole of my story was the other four trying to get a doctor who could get rid of the drug/electronic influences on him. I wasn't thinking of it as a hurt/comfort story, but I realise it fits-- Avon as the patient, the other 4 trying to keep him alive and get him help. My real intention as far as the story line went was to show: 1. The four other rebels using ORAC and their own wits without Avon to guide them. 2. Set to rest a mystery on Vila's background-- the doctor they decide to get for Avon is a man who befriend Vila during his childhood... and tried a little experimental immunization to brainwashing on him (without Vila's knowlege) while treating his chicken pox. 3. derlious Avon reacting to his inner world PGP. 4. Vila forgiving Avon for Orbit in response to 3 5. The lot of them all acting as if the whole thing had never bloody well happened after he's back to normal. 6. A benevolent scienist they use to help solve a problem who *doesn't get killed* at the end of the story, but instead elects to stay around and work on the Pylene-50 problem.

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