Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Neil wrote: > Perhaps if you were h/c oriented and came into fandom to find it > dominated by cyberpunk fiction, then perhaps your curiosity would be > likewise piqued. Maybe, maybe not. My curiosity wouldn't have been piqued. I came into a fandom dominated by Avon fanfic. I didn't ask why or care why. I just went out and did my own thing: write Tarrant fanfic. > What I'm really asking, when I analyse h/c, is, "What makes me the odd one > out?" This is possible insight into why *I* don't understand the curiosity of those who aren't into h/c. I've been the odd one out so often that I'm quite comfortable there. It's where I expect to be. Carol Mc

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RE: [B7L] Rumours of Death - the rewrite
by Predatrix 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

<howl!> Wonderful! Just the image of The Little Rat, much as I love him, cowering from Our Favourite Curly Gnome is worth the price of admittance alone. Er, what *was* the price of admittance? Cheers, Pred'x (...who needed a laugh as is back in bloody Mundania again...)

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Ashton7＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 3:19:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, lcw(a)dallas.net writes: << That hardly equates to it being "banned in the US", but Gareth Thomas might not be aware that what one station does is not applicable to the rest of them. >> Or perhaps someone once told Gareth that it wasn't shown in their town and that they suspected it was "banned," and so on. It could be that the station skipped the show by accident or that the person misrembered or they missed the first showing and on and on. But, as Lisa says, that hardly equates to it being "banned in the US." Gareth is mistaken and maybe someone will think to ask him where he heard it the next time they see him. Annie

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FW: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Roberts, Patricia ＠ CSE 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Fiona Moore > wrote: > "Not sure where, to be honest, but it was banned on its initial US release in the early 1980s-- the PBS station(s) showing it just started from Space Fall. Which information I have from Gareth Thomas, in case you want to know the source." The initial US release was on the Philadelphia PBS station in 1985-86. IMO Gareth may be mistaken. Nothing was banned here. The series was run twice. The first time was five days a week, Monday-Friday. The second time was once a week for 52 weeks. Made it very easy to tape it twice. Now I have 3 copies, the first 2 off the air and the 3rd, the "professional" tapes. Pat

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Ashton7＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 2:55:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, padme(a)bantha.org writes: << I find it more plausible that the episode would be edited, but I haven't actually heard of that either. >> Nor have I. I think that's something (banning *or* editing) that would have been heavily discussed in the fandom at the time, especially since the fandom in America got very hot and heavy once the show was on PBS in major markets. Which begs the question: why does Gareth Thomas think that it *was* banned in America???? Annie

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Re: [B7L] penguins
by Sally Manton 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Debbie wrote: <There was an item on the radio today saying that the number one killer of people in zoos is (not surprisingly) lions and tigers, but the number two killer is ... penguins. I had no idea.> The mind doth verily boggle (trying to imagine just *how* so many people get done in by not-*that*-large flightless birds) ... Did it say if anyone was killed by fairy penguins? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Claudia wrote: > I've never > heard of the first episode being omitted. Nor here. I was fortunate enough to be able to pick it up from the Pittsburgh (PA) PBS station and the Akron-Canton (OH) PBS station. THE WAY BACK was not omitted during the various airings I caught. Carol Mc (sending good thoughts to Per)

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Stop the presses. Haste once against makes for error. I need to offer a correction to my post to Fiona: > Those brief answers just might > indicate they don't want to be studied. "brief" should read "brusque" Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: > I > also, as I said, saw a lot of people who liked h/c launcing into the > discussion with categorical denials ("H/C is NOT S/M! BAD FIONA! BAD NEIL! > NEVER SAY THIS IS SO!") or false analogies (Hamlet? Beautiful suffering? Can > be played that way, but Hamlet can be played *any* way imaginable... bitter > and unlikable... cold and rational... round the twist...). Which has, > actually, made me even *less* kindly disposed to h/c as a genre than before. Perhaps so, but I don't think you are being fair. Perhaps you haven't been involved in other h/c discussions. Fans of h/c aren't just responding to the current thread, they are responding to repeated misinterpretations of the genre. This has all happened many times before. As in someone not into the genre decides to analyze what the genre is about. And the next step in the thread usually has people not into h/c telling h/c fans why they read or write h/c. I would liken it to a non-parent telling me what parenting is all about and why I became a parent. (I have four children.) > And anyway, if it *is* S/M, what of it? I'm given to understand that S/M is > considered an acceptable form of sexual expression these days... that is, if > the erotica shelf in the Oxford Waterstones is anything to go by... I'm a > little surprised that no one has come in to say "Yes, it's S/M, and I *like* > it!" But it's not S/M, as Tavia's well-written post has explained. What I don't understand is why she would have to go into such an in-depth explanation. Why can't those who do participate in the genre say "It's not S/M" and have other fans accept that we know what we're talking about it? I also can't understand why those who don't like h/c care to analyze it. I have no interest in analyzing tech fanfiction or cyberpunk fanfiction or why some fans are drawn to those genres. What about h/c makes non-h/c fans so curious? Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Another new zine at Redemption
by Alison Page 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

>Parodies Lost: a Collection of Blake's Seven Parodies > I bet this is absolutely brilliant, Chris has an awesome talent for parody. My favourite ever by Chris was a John Cooper Clark version of Orbit. Is it in here Chris? I guess JCC is slightly obscure, but I thought it was spot on. I wish you could be persuaded to do a live version at Redemption. Or perhaps we should get one of the Mancunians on the list to do it in the appropriate drawl. 'My mate went a hunting he was norra man to cross I hid in the shuttle he didn't give a toss' You see, I remember it well. Hope you don't mind me quoting it. Alison 'I can't go back to Cygnus And Star One's much too far Wade through slaughter to the throne But not with Vila R'

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