Blakes7 February 2001

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Una and Jarriet hit IMDB
by Una McCormack 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Could this be the Platonic film...? "Trenchcoat" (1983) Cast (in credits order), awaiting verification David Suchet .... Inspector Stagnos Ronald Lacey .... Princess Aida Emanuel Abela .... Man at Museum Post Card Rack Margaret von Brockdorff .... Nun Ruth Borthwick .... Nun Freda Camilleri .... Nun Lilly Harding .... Nun Anthony Spiteri .... Bald Man Joe Quattromani .... Man in Fez Eddie Baldacchino .... Wheelman at Dragonara Casino Joe Coppini .... Fish Monger HARRY JONES .... Man with Duffle Bag And to prove we're not lying... http://us.imdb.com/Credits?0086476

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We have been Redeemed
by Una McCormack 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Bleary-eyed, but somehow very happy nonetheless... Yes, back from Redemption. The facts: Sheridan assassinated. Servalan still Ruler of the Universe. Babylon XI beat Blake's XI by three wickets (full scores and report to come). Radio plays declared canon shock. Blake acquitted... but held for psychiatric treatment. Michael Sheard in Moondisc Massacre. Gareth Thomas turned down offer of pint. Andromedans capture boulevard. Sheridan not dead after all. Blake's 7 movie shown to tumultuous applause at closing ceremony. Una and Harriere

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Re: Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Fiona Moore 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Moore <nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: <moore(a)britishlibrary.net> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance) > > --- Mac4781(a)aol.com wrote: > From: Mac4781(a)aol.com > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was > > Deliverance) > > To: blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se > > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:39:29 EST > > > > Perhaps so, but I don't think you are being fair. > > Perhaps you haven't been > > involved in other h/c discussions. Fans of h/c > > aren't just responding to the > > current thread, they are responding to repeated > > misinterpretations of the > > genre. This has all happened many times before. As > > in someone not into the > > genre decides to analyze what the genre is about. Minor point of order here. I'm decidedly not unfamiliar with H/C, and neither are most of the rest of the anti-faction (see Neil's long list of examples). I've read quite a few stories in the genre, although I wouldn't call myself "into" it (just that frankly you can't *avoid* it if you're into reading fanfic) > > And the next step in the > > thread usually has people not into h/c telling h/c > > fans why they read or > > write h/c. > > > > I would liken it to a non-parent telling me what > > parenting is all about and > > why I became a parent. (I have four children.) Fair point :). However, while I'm not a parent, I am an anthropologist. As part of my professional activities, I go to groups of people of which I am not a member, and study them as an outsider. I cannot ever become a gay man who is a drag-show fan, or a German merchant banker (both subcultures which I have studied), and so my perspective on drag-show fandom and German merchant banking is quite different to theirs; however, it is generally agreed (including by the people I study) that an outsider to the culture can provide valuable insights into the culture which the insider lacks, simply by virtue of being an outsider. I've also had a certain amount of psychological training, which is where I was coming from when I said I saw sadomasochistic elements in H/C. > > But it's not S/M, as Tavia's well-written post has > > explained. What I don't > > understand is why she would have to go into such an > > in-depth explanation. > > Why can't those who do participate in the genre say > > "It's not S/M" and have > > other fans accept that we know what we're talking > > about it? First of all, Tavia's post didn't convince everyone. Second of all, let me give an example from my fieldwork. When I went into a particular bank, I noticed that there was a sharp ethnic divide-- GErman staff socialised with German staff, English with English staff. However, when I suggested this to people, they tended to say "No! No! We're all a big family!" However, when I provided concrete examples, e.g. informal seating arrangements at lunch, who went to the pub with who, etc., etc., people began to mutter "you have a point..." Just an example of how sometimes the outsider can see what the insider can't. > > I also can't understand why those who don't like h/c > > care to analyze it. For my part, because I'm trying to understand. Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Available for public perusal at http://nyder.r67.net

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Re: [B7L] Wendy-speak/hijacking
by Fiona Moore 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> > And in the same post, Annie made a remark that I really do take offence at: > > So, frankly, the conclusion I > > came to on the other list where I saw these complaints is that some people > > were annoyed that the attention had shifted from *them* and their > > ideas/points/conversation/whatever to someone else. > > This amounts to an accusation of egotism. I can't speak for Fiona I can :)! , but I > personally do not see intellectual debate as an exercise in egotism, it is > simply something I enjoy for its own sake. I'm not telling everyone else > that they should enjoy it too, I'm not trying to set any kind of benchmark, > I simply want to pursue my own kind of fun in my own way with like-minded > people and without unwanted distraction and interruption from others who > don't enjoy that kind of thing. And I honestly don't think that's a great > deal to ask for. This is *exactly* my opinion, and I've felt a little hurt by some of the posts suggesting that I'm a strait-laced old so-and-so who doesn't want anyone else to have fun. I like, and sometimes participate, in "fun" threads (check the archive, but I'm pretty sure I was the one who initiated the Thania's Boots thread last year). But I also enjoy debate for its own sake, and the threads that usually get me going are the "serious" ones. I'd also like to take this opportunity to point out to some people who seem to misunderstand that a debate doesn't always construe an attack on someone/thing. In the sciences, social and otherwise, knowledge advances through one person setting up a theory and everyone else trying to knock it down-- if the theory withstands all counterarguments, fine, but if a hole is poked in it, then some form of modification is called for. So if, for instance, somebody says "the Federation is a fascist state," I am going to take that opportunity to critically examine that statement in the light of what is known about fascism, whether there are alternative ideologies which might provide a better analogy, etc. etc. I am not trying to suggest that people who take the first point of view are stupid, or even that the first point of view is totally without merit-- although if I manage to prove in a number of ways that the Federation isn't fascist, I might be a little put out by people still saying "doesn't count, cos *I* interpret it as fascist, whether it was intended to be or not." > If anything, it's the funsters (who I do not consider nitwits, whatever > Penny might say) Me neither. Just occasionally tactless :). Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Available for public perusal at http://nyder.r67.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [B7L] penguins
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Looking left and right... Calle isn't back yet, right? This is off topic... Debbie wrote: > There was an item on the radio today saying that the number one killer of > people in zoos is (not surprisingly) lions and tigers, but the number two > killer is ... penguins. I had no idea. I never would have thought. What interesting information. The penguin is the mascot for the sports teams at our local university. When in contact with friends who are fans of rival teams, I've often teased them with "Beware, our fierce Penguins will be in your town soon." Never thinking penguins were indeed fierce. <g> Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Re:Thread hi-jacking
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Helen wrote: > Not *all* serious posters (at least, I think I fall under that heading)! You're absolutely right. That should have read "some" serious posters. Bad wording on my part. Sorry. > I stuck up for the right of anyone to make their own responses to > serious threads. You did indeed. And did it gently, which I appreciated. Yours was one of the calming voices. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Technical problem
by Deborah Day 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- >I'm not getting all posts, or Lysts, in proper order. That is; I'm >getting responses before the originating posts. Also, several times I'm >seeing more than one copy of the same post. >Are others having this problem or is it just on my end? > I've been having this too - not so much the order, as I get the digest, but I get later digests before earlier ones, and some are duplicated. Debbie

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penguins
by Deborah Day 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- There was an item on the radio today saying that the number one killer of people in zoos is (not surprisingly) lions and tigers, but the number two killer is ... penguins. I had no idea. Debbie.

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Re: Tarriel Cells (was: RE: [B7L] Thread hijacking (was Re: Sally-speak))
by Dana Shilling 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Peter Borg asked absorbingly: > > I wonder, is every tarriel cell linked to every other, or is there some kind > of networking/routing protocol? Based on what we see in canon, it probably involves frequent application of laser probes, since nothing else works for five minutes without sticking a screwdriver into it. -(Y)

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Re:thread hijacking, etc.
by Helen Krummenacker 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

> I'm sorry that it's taken me so long to say something. I'm especially sorry > because I very much enjoy Penny and she's not posted a single thing to the > lyst since then. Maybe because she was hurt by the words. Not everyone > complains in public when they've been hurt. Or maybe because she was hurt > that no spoke up in her defense. I hope she's still here to read this. > > Carol Mc I was upset by the post Carol Mc quoted from Neil, but said nothing specific about it because I was upset by a lot of what was going on at about the same time, and because Neil's posts suggest he wouldn't care if I had said anything. He takes pride in being obstreporous sometimes. I didn't think Penny might interpret silence as a support for him, as I have frequently praised her. One of the main reasons I've been so upset about the list arguements lately is that people who I had been in the habit of respecting, such as Neil, said things to other people I found distressing. I'd rather put up with trolls than a things getting nasty between people I know. I also want to thank everyone for trying to calm things down-- it's been a lot better the last few days. As you can see, I'm willing to open my mouth again.

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Blakes7 February 2001