Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by Ashton7＠aol.com 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 7:04:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, littles(a)lycos.co.uk writes: << If you accuse me-- who doesn't in the slightest _care_ what direction fandom goes in, so long as it's not hurting anyone-- of trying to control fandom, you are in a sense likening me to Ms Gies. Is it so surprising that I resent the implication? >> No, I do not blame you for resenting the implication. Thank you for finally explaining what you really meant. The invocation of Diane Gies, out of the blue with no further explanation, made no sense within the context of the conversation. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: > And for people who go on about sticking up for > underdogs as much as that, that's pretty low. I think that's my cue to cut out of this discussion. Carol Mc

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To apologise or not to apologise
by M 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

After giving up and deleting about 800 messages, I left about a week and am now up to the 23rd- thereby sorry if my answers are a little dated (broken modem, late shifts and all that). Anyway after reading a post by Marian de Hann I think about a fanfic story that gets Avon off the hook fot killing Blake, a thought occured to me. When we see Blake and when it is written about, Blake is usually some-how still alive. However why is this? At first it seems obvious Blake is still alive, the hero, the 'Captain Kirk', however I think the answer is more to do with Avon. We need to some-how give him absolution - this is proven by the fact that if Blake is killed, Avon must some-how be insane, not just killed him outright. Do we need Avon to not have committed this crime so much, we try to absolve him? Part of Avon is that he is ruthless, I myself am an Avon fan and have been guilty of it, however I think I am starting to see where the reputation for Avon fans always trying to excuse him comes from. He cannot be allowed to commit a henious crime or he must some-how be noble? What do other people think??? M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Frame capture votes
by Lisa Williams 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

For anyone who's interested and hasn't voted yet, I'll be accepting votes for the next set of frame captures through the end of February (that's Wednesday.) Remember, you can vote for up to four episodes. See my previous message for the list of those already done. At the moment, there are two clear front-runners and a four-way tie for the others. Looks like an interesting selection shaping up. - Lisa -- Lisa Williams: lcw(a)dallas.net or lwilliams(a)raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://framecaplib.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/

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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/25/01 6:12:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, littles(a)lycos.co.uk writes: << H/c didn't originate from B7. It appears, and correct me if I'm wrong, to have originated in Star Trek fandom, years before B7 was written. So regardless of whether British people wrote B7 H/C, its origins were transatlantic.<< The discussion topic was H/C in B7 fandom. Since the first place B7 was shown was the U.K., and the first zines that came out were indesputably British, and many of them were H/C, by no stretch of the imagination can American B7 fans be blamed for H/C in B7. There's drama in B7 too. Drama existed on American TV before B7 was made. Does this mean that Americans are responsible for all drama in B7? Of course not. That's faulty logic. Long before American B7 zines took hold, I remember seeing several issues of a popular UK zine named "Wallow." It existed for nothing but H/C. It was British. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by Ashton7＠aol.com 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/25/01 6:12:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, littles(a)lycos.co.uk writes: << I suggest you read my exchange of e-mails with Carol. To sum up: she is the president of a B7 fan-club called Horizon, and is well-known for having said in a memo which reached a wider audience than intended that she hated slash and intended to start a crusade against it-- for instance by not advertising conventions (such as Redemption, incidentally) at which slash is known to be sold. I'm told she *is* on the list but she doesn't post, or at least not under her own name. >> Well, thanks, Shane, but I know very well who Diane Gies is. In fact, I've "known" her for 10 or 15 years. That wasn't my question to you. My question was why you suddenly accused me of mistaking you for her in a conversation that had nothing to do with her (or with slash, for that matter). Annie

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redemption
by Alison Page 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Right. So this redemption thing. Attributes of B7 fans, including the stupid ones who don't agree with me: - Bravery. As Napoleon said 'La courage de deux heurs de la matin, la courage de l'improviste'. If anyone wasn't scared I suppose that's brave too, but I guess most were as scared as me, in which case, very brave indeed. - Creativity. This really hardly needs to be explained further. All the art forms, and the proliferation of art forms. - Generosity. People giving out in lots of different ways. If people think I didn't notice well I did. - Perhaps the definitive attribute of B7, B7 fans, and perhaps all fandom. What is the word for it. Being prepared to forget about being cool, and about what is appropriate or stylish. But through this route to be in some strange way highly stylish and cool. Shaky sets and dodgy bodies irregardless. Alison

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Tavia Chalcraft 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Annie wrote, and several others have put similar views: >Maybe I also don't want to have my motives for liking certain >types of fan fiction examined and I certainly don't particularly >care to be *told* why I like something and what that something >"is" (in complete disagreement to my own stated preferences >and what *I* believe that something "is"). My immediate thoughts on this thread were along the lines of analytical types (such as myself) simply can't help analysing things, it is our natural way of working. Speaking as such a type, I would consider the main difficulty comes when it comes over as if one is analysing a trait one considers inferior in some fashion (whether or not this is actually in the minds of those doing the analysing). However, although I'm a great analyser and categoriser of most things, I personally find such systems don't work well for complex items, such as fanfic (or people). In particular, and I know I'm in a minority here, I dislike the categorisation of fanfic into subgenres such as h/c. It seems to me that if one can accurately pigeonhole a piece of fiction into something relatively tightly defined, such as h/c, then the story must be unoriginal. Or, to put it another way, if I like a story, then I tend to like it for what is different from other stories that I've read, not what is similar (or identical). I also agree that being a lab rat isn't very comfortable. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Ashton7＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 2:28:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk writes: << Not sure where, to be honest, but it was banned on its initial US release in the early 1980s-- the PBS station(s) showing it just started from Space Fall. Which information I have from Gareth Thomas, in case you want to know the source. >> Hmmm. I'm not sure why Gareth Thomas would think this. I was involved in B7 fandom well before it ever aired here in the US and when it *did* air, I was heavily involved in the fandom. I had people in two different parts of the country taping the series for me since it never did show locally here in Orlando. I never heard of an instance where the first episode wasn't shown. Has anyone else ever heard of this happening? I certainly got tapes from both sources starting with the first episode. Annie

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Re: [B7L] penguins
by J MacQueen 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

>From: Natasha Sykes <nat(a)imipak.demon.co.uk> >Presumable fairy penguins would waddle around your feet looking adorable >until you got confused and attempted to move forward. They don't waddle around your feet, they go for their burrows like a bat out of hell! At least that's what I remember from visiting Phillip Island when I was a small child. My brother, being even smaller, came close to being bowled over by a couple (this was before people had to be fenced off from them, presumably for their own safety, as much as that of the penguins). Fairy penguins are a danger to small children, because they don't want to look where they are going <smile> Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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