Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] More penguins
by Sally Manton 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Una wrote: <You're forgetting Neil's expose: http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm> I did, and I hang my head in shame. But it's still .... interesting ... PS - Avon makes a very *very* cute penguin, BTW. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: <While I have no objection to violence, suffering or torture in a storyline, and I agree that these aren't always eroticised, there's something about the thought of pain making someone more beautiful that *does* have disturbing overtones to me.> Can I ask something of everyone? Does the use of violence as humour - as 'a source of innocent merriment' - also have disturbing, if different, overtones? I'm not so much talking about real cartoon violence a la the Road Runner (which I like, though I always disliked Tom & Jerry) but that using film and therefore real people - Monty Python and A Fish Called Wanda come immediately to mind, but I'm sure there are others (again, graphic violence isn't my thing, so I don't watch a lot of these). And it's an area I *don't* recall seeing a lot of B7 fiction in _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

> > Well actually, this is one of the many mistakes in Jenkins' work. Although > many fans find themselves uncomfortable around geekfans who haunt every > convention and immerse themselves too deeply in the characters they adore, > the media seek out these fans with rubber pointed ears, one hundred buttons > on their jackets and elaborate costumes. Why? Because TV is a visual medium, > and when they send someone to cover a convention, they need to point the > camera at something that will epitomize and perpetuate the popular mundane > view of the media fan. That isn't the majority of attendees, wandering around > in ordinary garb and tee shirts. That's visually boring, and doesn't fit the > reporter or camera crew's idea of a "trekkie" or media fan. So they hunt down > the guy with bottle-thick glasses and a buck teeth and a klingon head > appliance and focus on him, not the visually average folks. > Whereas, I see people wearing "overly elalorate costumes" as people who are into building, acting, and being creative. It's the few people who get angry if you're wearing a Klingon costume but don't speak Klingon that worry me.

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Re: [B7L] Hurt/comfort, a theory
by J MacQueen 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara(a)juno.com> [snip] >And what do I get for it? The one time - the _one_ time - I >can't come through, it's just big explosions and goodbye and hope you die >on that mutant planet. I just feel so . . . _used_." And Tarrant >replying, "Hey, let it out. I'm here for you, man." Ellynne, this is... <lost for words> Time for me to wash my brain out with soap. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Declaration Of Intent To Continue Being An Idiot
by Ashton7＠aol.com 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 10:18:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Caveatemptor1(a)aol.com writes: << Avon in tight red leather (oh, dear...is that a phallic symbol?) >> Only if Suzi Lovett drew it. ;-) Annie

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Declaration Of Intent To Continue Being An Idiot
by Caveatemptor1＠aol.com 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

> I, Penny Dreadful, do hereby vow to continue to post smartass remarks, > sexual innuendo, references to food and clothing, comments about character, > in-universe rationalizations, obscure in-jokes, sickmaking cuteness, > flippancy, irreverence, irrelevance, tastelessness, and/or whatever > subjectively stupid thought happens to flit through my subjectively shallow > little mind, and moreover to continue appending them to whatever thread I > deem appropriate. Oh, what a relief!! I was beginning to worry I was going to have to give up my AVON LUST and actually have to start thinking. Bless you, Penny, for showing me the way back to what's really important. Avon's smile, Avon's eyes, Avon in tight red leather (oh, dear...is that a phallic symbol?)

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Re: [B7L] Declaration Of Intent To Continue Being An Idiot
by Sally Manton 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Penny, I love this. Please don't *ever* change. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: pain in life & fiction
by Helen Krummenacker 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

> In real life, I can't handle seeing > someone else in pain. I sometimes get actual, physical, sympathy pains > when other people hurt, and it's not pleasant. I even experience this in fiction, especially when writing it. I was working on a story where a character got struck in the jaw so hard it broke her tooth-- and had a jaw ache the whole morning. I've suffered limps from a character spraining an ankle. (I'm not crazy-- I have fibromyalgia, and muscle tensions cause me pain. I imagine the impact, tense, and there I am) Maybe that is why I appreciate heroes who can bear physical hurt with courage? It's nice to have a good example of how to bear up, even if from time to time I exacerbate myself through having too good an imagination. > IMO > the difference between liking something in fiction or fantasy and liking > it (or even condoning it) in reality is a large and important one. True! I actually enjoy watching some of Servalan's murders, but IRL, I'd be horrified.

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Re: fandom
by Susan.Moore＠uni.edu 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Leah wrote: > Look before you leap. Not only is the unlikely category of soap opera fandom > enormous, but if you check online, you'll find that very extensive amounts of > fanfic are being written about them. As an example, just type in "fan > fiction" in your favorite search engine and see what comes up, particularly > if you put in such particulars as GENERAL HOSPITAL or other popular daytime > shows, or the names of some of the major characters. I would have thought > like you--that an ongoing, long-term soap opera that unfolds daily would have > no room for fanfic. I was very wrong. I would imagine that those who write soap opera fan fiction try to do what we're trying to do (whatever that may be). There are characters that get dropped from the show that have followings, there are inconsistencies that my colleagues who tape the shows discuss at coffee break, there are characters that were played first by one actor and then another (semi-ObB7). Sound familiar? Susan M.

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Re. fandom
by Isobel Hamilton 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Helen wrote: >I like Spike, especially as a reluctant hero, but I've mentioned that > >before on list only to be told he hasn't really changed, it's just the > >V-chip. I agree, the relucant hero was a interesting plot move, but the writers didn't seem to explore the demon-killing potential, instead choosing to bring up the whole Spike/Buffy how-to-split-your-fanbase storyline. Maybe it's still to come.. As for Spike being 'the Avon of Buffydom', I'd never considered that, but it is strangely accurate! I definitely have a subconscious leaning towards similar characters.... I would discuss all this Buffy stuff more but the moderator has spoken, so I'll shut up now :o) Isobel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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