Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: fandom
by Isobel Hamilton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

>>Is there anyone out there who *does* watch B7 or another show at least >>partly (and large-part, please) for one of the minor characters, with >>little >>interest in the majors? >Buffy. The lead is self-centered and often obnoxious and/or whiney. But >Giles is so marvellous. I like Xander. Anya says the most unbelievable >things. In fact, I think the entire ensemble is terrific. I'd be happy >if the pulled a 'Blake' with her and let the show go on without Buffy >if >SMG deecided to leave. How true! Only you forgot someone.. Buffy is only worth watching for Spike. My dream would be that they end that show by letting him finally kill her... she grows more awful by the season. Isobel (been here ages, still a newbie, doesn't post often at all!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 5:04:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << I said almost exactly what Fiona said a few hours ago: Suffering can never be Beautiful. As is typical with discussion on the Lyst, much was said but few if any opinions were significantly altered. If you don't like that, you just have to learn to lump it. >> This is something I've noticed for years and years... British fans seem to NOT like the more emotional aspects of fan fiction and therefore, many of them don't tend to like the hurt/comfort genre as a whole. In fact, it's mainly British fans who I have often seen refer to h/c as "sadistic" and the like. American fans, on the other hand, tend to revel in the emotional aspects and h/c has been "big" in fan fiction since the early Star Trek days and onward. Yes, slash probably partially developed as an offshoot of h/c, but h/c is not necessarily slash just like slash is not necessarily h/c. Now, I know I'm generalizing. No doubt there will be some British fans who speak up and say they *like* h/c and there will be some American fans who say they don't. But, I think if there were a way to do a survey, we would probably find that there *is* a general attitude difference *overall*. Frankly, a perusal in the differences in stories between British/Australian zines as compared to American zines will tell the tale quite nicely. (And I should know... I've been reading an average of 10 fanzines a week for the last several months trying to "catch up" on my fanzine reading... not to mention the dozens of zines I've edited over the years.) Annie

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Cally in Red [was RE: [B7L] Re: fandom]
by Harriet Monkhouse 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Louise agreed with Neil: >>ObB7: I seem to be in a minority that actually liked Cally's >>red Saurian Major outfit. It makes her look chunky. > >Oh, no, I'm going to have to agree with Neil here And so do I. Jarriet

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Help (was Sally-speak)
by Tavia Chalcraft 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Marion: >What exactly is to BUARA? I'm now wondering whether I've >been inadvertently BUARAing in my stories and if so, whether >that's a bad thing:-) BUARA = Beat up and rape Avon. I doubt you've been doing it by accident. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] BUARA (was: Help (was Sally-speak))
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Dear People I've sent Marian the answer to this one :-) I really *don't* think we ought to end the month with the sort of smash-up discussing this would cause. Any other new people who want to ask, feel free to write to me; it's also on the list of acronyms on Judith's website. Sally From: "Marian de Haan" <maya(a)multiweb.nl> What exactly is to BUARA? I'm now wondering whether I've been inadvertently BUARAing in my stories and if so, whether that's a bad thing :-) Marian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: trolls?
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> >> Funny how it's only the people who don't agree with what I say who > >> call me a troll. > > > >(dryly) Well, I'd hardly expect *anyone* to be called a troll by > >people who *agreed* with them. > > > I don't mind being called a troll - my husband usually refers to me as the > young dragon, so troll would be pretty polite. > > Debbie. And I wouldn't object to being Billy Goat Gruff. Helen

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Re: fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> "You're a right something, that's for sure. Why don't you do what everyone > else does and write a PGP novel..." > > Neil > Would this luverly dialogue vignette be considered AU fiction? ::chuckling quietly with tears of joy in my eyes:: Helen

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Help (was Sally-speak)
by Marian de Haan 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Kathryn Andersen wrote: >By all means, make Avon break a leg and suffer, but if you're going to BUARA then warn me so I can get far, far away.< What exactly is to BUARA? I'm now wondering whether I've been inadvertently BUARAing in my stories and if so, whether that's a bad thing :-) Marian

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Re: Excalibur, Blake's 7, and Zulus
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> For one thing, I like violent movies (as opposed to IRL). And Uther's rape > of Igrayne is part of the legend, therefore it has to be there. The focus > of pre-Raphaelite art on the non-violent subjects can be construed as a > romantic gloss on what was, after all, a violent time. You termed the film Pre-Raphaelite... I just felt that was a mislabelling. I only watched Excalibur once, and it was when I was twelve. I only remember the parts I disliked; I'm sure it has charms I didn't appreciate. I know the Middle Ages were violent and nasty (the combination of sex and violence were what I disliked, also realistic but artists can choose to imply rather than show) I liked Blake breaking the guy's neck; he was in a bad situation and it was required. I prefer Cally-the-guerilla to Cally-the-maternal. I liked Avon's wade-in-blood speech because it underlined that revolutions aren't clean. OTOH, we see Avon, in RoD, at the end of the 5 days torture. We don't actually have to sit through what puts him in that state. I agree with your point that *realistic* depictions of violence *can* remind people why violence is bad. Provided they empathize with the victim rather than the viscious, at which point you get desensitization. > Why waste men > > simply to show off their willingness to die? Then you have fewer people > > to actually fight with. I'll bet the British commander did no such > > thing. > > > Well, he didn't, of course, because he couldn't. And he lost serious face > as a result. So there was nothing stupid about Cetsewayo's little demo - > for a handful of men he could amply afford, he soundly humiliated an > arrogant colonial power. I rather think their families may have had some feelings about whether that handful of men could be afforded. So, humiliating an enemy is good enough reason to kill your followers? I'm afraid I cannot think that way. But then, I'm very tired and should probably be napping instead of posting right now. Wish me luck, friends, tomorrow I find out whether, after days of getting exhausted sitting in a confy chair writing to my friends, I have the strength to get through a day at the office.

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Re: [B7L] Sally's posts...
by Deborah Day 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- >> Funny how it's only the people who don't agree with what I say who >> call me a troll. > >(dryly) Well, I'd hardly expect *anyone* to be called a troll by >people who *agreed* with them. I don't mind being called a troll - my husband usually refers to me as the young dragon, so troll would be pretty polite. Debbie.

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Blakes7 February 2001