Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: fandom
by Betty Ragan 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Tavia wrote: > My usual retort to those who classify fandom with trainspotting (ie > most of my acquaintance) is that nearly everyone watches television > (some fans less than average), non-fans are content to sit and > watch, while fans try to participate in social and/or creative > ways. IIRC, Jenkins had a hypothesis about that. Something along the lines of ordinary people wanting to define their own passive consumption of television (something like five hours a day for the average American, I think!) as "normal," even though most people have the feeling, deep down, that there may well be something vaguely wrong with staring passively at the tube like that for large chunks of time. But if you can point to someone whose TV-watching behavior is really unsual, it can make your own habits seem "normal" by comparison, and therefore, somehow, OK. "Yeah, sure, I watch a lot of TV, but at least I'm not like *those* people! They're obsessive!" (I may be slightly mischaracterizing Jenkins' argument, there... I don't remember it terribly well, and I don't have the book here with me to check. But I've certainly seen variants of that kind of reasoning first-hand, occasionally in some rather amusing contexts.) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: Richard III [was Re: [B7L] Mary Sues]
by J MacQueen 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> >very Avonian. Sounds like the portrait of Edward IV on an old supplement for something or the other that I was looking at last night (trying to rid myself of "junk", not that it worked very well). With the hairstyle in this picture (not the usual one, by the way), he was practically a dead-ringer for a particular Maylin of Karfel. By contrast, Richard III bore some resemblance to Travis I, and Edward V could've been the offspring of Vila and Soolin. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 2:50:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, una(a)q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: << I guess that's going to be a problem with any book that's going to have both an academic audience and an audience from its subject matter.<< Nah. Just this one. Since (apart from Camille Bacon-Smith) it's the *only* book "about" fans ever professionally published, citing it as an overall authoritative source is going to bring up a bit of skepticism. When it was first published, Jenkins' work was received with a somewhat bemused attitude on the part of media fandom in general. He wasn't discounted nor his work mistrusted. He was simply one opinion, with a self-implied expertise on the subject. To collect material for his thesis, he stalked among us like a sort of Marlin Perkins, observing and taking notes. You can watch a wombat and learn a great deal. But it ain't the same as *being* a wombat. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 5:09:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << And like many such books, read like a thesis that wasn't really long enough for a proper book so needed a bit of padding to bring it up to length. >> That would be because it *was* his thesis... or perhaps his doctorate work. It's been so long ago that I don't remember. I do remember that we had some of the chapters before they were published directly from him. I don't remember *why* we had them, though. Maybe Leah remembers, because she was the one who corresponded with him directly. Annie

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Cheryl wrote: <I have to ask though, as I've never been quite sure, does the term 'My Darling' refer strictly to Avon or does it apply to Blake as well?> <gurgle> yes, I can see it might be confusing. At the risk of reinforcing my character-junkie status and losing Neil's chockie-bribery, a short list of phrases people probably wish I'd forget ... My Darling (singular) - Avon. He is *slightly* ahead of Blake in my affections, though I adore them both. Don't worry, there *will* be plenty of nice, wallowy Avon-threads for you to enjoy (and Other people to groan about). My Darlings (plural) - Avon and Blake. The main raison d'etre for Blake's 7, yes, all four seasons and fifty-two shows :-) though Vilakins is nice to have around as well. My Favourite Autocrat aka Fearless Leader - Blake (who, for a sincere-at-heart democrat, if *very good* at getting his own way and *very bad* at taking orders from anyone at all, even at gunpoint). My Favourite Gnome - Jarriere. Our Heroes - the entire crew, yes even the ones I don't like. Doing The Right Thing - Something that always makes Avon's temper get decidedly worse. Suffering Beautifully - Avon's major reason for being. IMO - I am about to write something that will annoy someone. IMHO - I am about to write something that will *really* annoy someone. IHMO*only* - I am about to write something about Tarrant. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Richard III [was Re: [B7L] Mary Sues]
by Harriet Monkhouse 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

>Do you mean the Ian McKellen one? I loved it, especially the use of London landmarks for the set, eg the palace being in St Pancras railways station (magically relocated by the river). Though why they cast Mark Ramprakash as Henry VII beats me. In answer to Jacqui, Peter Miles would do a lovely job. Sadly, they lost the scene from the stage version where Margaret interrupts them at dinner, and everyone jumps/recoils, except for Richard, who calmly continues to sip his soup. Warning: any resemblance between characters in the above play and those actually living in the 15th century is entirely coincidental. Jarriet

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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 5:38:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk writes: << And I also sometimes feel as if nobody really questions the concept at all--like it's just assumed that everyone's OK with this. >> Maybe that's because in American fandom, as a rule, hurt/comfort is "standard" in fan fiction and therefore it probably *is* assumed that everyone's "okay" with it. In fact, hurt/comfort is a standard in pro fiction, as well, even in something as "nuts and bolts" as mainline SF. I can only quote from one of my favorite authors, Orson Scott Card, a winner of multiple Hugos (actually I will paraphrase). Scott says find the character in your story who hurts the most... and hurt him SOME MORE. You really can't write a story that involves the reader emotionally without putting the hero/heroine into trouble. Annie

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fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> . and Angel, of course, is in San Francisco. > My turn to be anal-rententive, Fiona. That's Los Angeles "The City of Angels", not San Francisco.

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Re: fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> > > Well, that's why it appealled to me when I was 14 and not when I was 24. > > Even then, I preferred stories some ambiguity, if only because it made > > more sense. Roger Delgado as the Master wanted to make the universe a > > more organized place; Anthony Andrews as the Master > > At the risk of sounding anal-retentive, that's Anthony *Ainley* :). > > Fiona > Of course. Just goes to show how long ago my Dr. Who fandom was.

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Forbidden Star Three
by Judith Proctor 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Forbidden Star Three is just back from the printers. Copies will be available at Redemption. This is a slash zine (ie. explict homosexual content). I'll post more details later when I have the time. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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