Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: Sally-speak
by Betty Ragan 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Responding to Wendy, Annie wrote: > < But every time I open > my mailbox there's at least one post on the list about > Suffering Beautifully, and I wish people would keep > that sort of thing on the other list, where it > belongs. >> > > I thought "that sort of thing" was okay here on lysator. I know it *used* to > be okay, but I have been gone from actively participating in the list for a > few years. Is it now a rule of the list that slash and adult topics aren't > allowed here? Just checking! I don't know if there's a general "rule" (I'll let Calle address that one), but IMO slash and adult topics are better kept on the Other List. It seems to me, though, that a major part of the problem here is that it would never have occured to me that someone would have regarded a post about "Suffering Beautifully" as *being* an adult topic. Annoyingly character junkie-istic, yes. Morally offensive, no. "Beautiful Suffering" does not equal "sadomasochism"! -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: fandom
by Harriet Monkhouse 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Dana wrote: >I guess it would be worse if you bought a Nokia >specifically because you could get the theme song. Ah... the fact that we are about to go to press for the year (ie I have a bit of spare time) combined with the news that even my mother is thinking about a mobile has made me think it's time I do something about this. And since I'm always told that there are too many phones and packages to make a rational choice, narrowing it down to "ones for which one can download the B7 themetune" sounds like a plan. Though I always wanted to have one into which I could programme the opening bars of Soft Parade ("Can you give me sanctuary, I must find a place to hide" - the rest of the song is expendable). Somewhere under the same heading, Helen wrote: >I think watching sports is silly (there's no plot! no characterization!) Try cricket. Harriere

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To Whom It May Concern
by Harriet Monkhouse 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Sally is my friend, though we have never met. We have some similar views (we tend to like the same men) and some wildly differing ones (we definitely don't like the same women). She has a rather different mode of expression to mine, but at least it means I can tell who's writing the post, even when she doesn't sign it. Upsetting my friends is a very quick route to alienating me. I happened not to share Kathryn's belief that Wendy was a troll until the post about Sally's mode of expression, which I thought was gratuitously unpleasant. I am glad that Wendy has stated that this was not meant as a personal attack, and hope that she will learn to be more cautious in avoiding possible causes of misunderstanding. I also hope she will understand in the meantime if I regard her posts with a certain degree of wariness. Prissy mode off. You may return to your normal programming. Harriet

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Richard III [was Re: [B7L] Mary Sues]
by Harriet Monkhouse 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Tanja said: >Considering George betrayed everyone he was >ever allied with and had a hapless servant burned >as a witch, accusing her of causing the death of >his wife, I have to protest on Vila's behalf. Agreed. As I said before, George fits perfectly into the universe, but I can't think of a match. Maybe we should just import him wholesale as an ocm. Harriere

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Flashing blade song [was Re: fandom and fannishness]
by Harriet Monkhouse 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Neil said: >ObB7: The theme song for Flashing Blade would fit B7 quite nicely: >"You've got to fight for what you want/and all that you believe" "As long as you have done your best/Then no one can do more" Well, I'm sure Avon would be ready to provide his shipmates with a list of people who could have done more than said shipmates' inadequate best. "And life and love and happiness/Are well worth fighting for" - sounds a bit sentimental for our friends. Wasn't there a rather jolly scheming Cardinal who'd fit into the Federation, though? Jarriet

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Re: [B7L] a request (was: Sally-speak)
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

I'm sorry, I know Calle's the only one authorised to say this, but *please* can we all drop the subject and go back to Blake's 7? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 5:05:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << "Hello, mate." "Wotcha. Have a good weekend?" "Er... yeah. Yeah, it was alright." "Oh yeah. So what have you been up to then?" "Not a lot. Got together with some mates, y'know." "Yeah. And?" "Well, we found ourselves a bit of green, like, and ... er ... well, we kicked a ball around." "Pull the other one!" "No, really, we do it every week." "You're having me on! Kicking a ball around, I ask you." "There's rules and stuff." "Never heard anything so daft in me life. Not on Saturday, I hope." "Well, yeah, it was actually..." "It was pissing down all bleeding day." "Yeah, so? We got a bit muddy, that's all." "You must be out of your bleeding tree. Sounds right daft. And a bit dangerous too if you ask me." "Well, one bloke did break a collar bone, but, y'know, that's just one of the risks, like." "Only broke a collar bone? You ought to be locked up." "Aw, c',mon, mate, it's fun." "Kicking a ball about in the pouring rain and breaking your collar bone? You've got a right twisted idea of fun there, my son. You're well short of normal, you are." "I scored a goal." "You scored a what?" "A goal. Y'know, when you put the ball between these two posts, like." "So you kick a ball about and try and get it between two posts? I guess some people are just easily amused." "There's a bloke there trying to stop you and all. He's called the goalkeeper." "Fancy titles and all, eh?" "We've all got 'em. I'm a right back." "You're a right something, that's for sure. Why don't you do what everyone else does and write a PGP novel..." >> Brilliant, Neil. Absolutely dead on. I've had to bite my tongue all day at my office, where I'm constantly teased about the few fannish pictures I've got in my cubical; but when a bunch of grown people drive their cars around and around and around a track 500 times to a crowd of screaming, beer-soaked 'fans' and one of their number gets himself creamed on the lasts lap, it's a matter of dignity and monumental portent, to be spoken of in hushed, respectful tones. I'll wager that if a cast member of one of our favorite fannish programs died during the filming of a stunt, there would be mockery over a similar sorrow. But hey, that's 'different'. Those folks are nutballs and geeks, right? Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Ashton7: "Henry was/is a nice guy. But, he's just a guy with an opinion, ya know." jj_macqueen: "Zaphod Beeblebrox's psychiatrist: Henry's just zis guy, you know? </Zaphod Beeblebrox's psychiatrist> >> Ashton7: "LOL. Got me." Methos: "What did you expect? Einstein? Freud? Buddha? I'm sorry, Joe. I'm just a guy."

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/18/01 6:07:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << For a supposedly experienced warrior it seems a bit daft to have all limbs exposed to any sharp edge that might be flying around. Mediaeval warriors plastered themselves with every last bit of metal plating they could stand up in (sometimes even two helmets, one on top of the other). Xena (like Conan in the De Laurentiis movies) is all image. >> Er, the Celts fought absolutely naked. And warriors in Xena's "time" wore "skirts." So to speak. Annie

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Re: fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> Doctor Who just didn't interest me enough to > want to get involved and debate it. With a few notable exceptions, the > morality is clear-cut black and white, the aliens evil killers with no > conscience and no motivation other than to rule for the sake of it, the > Doctor the guy in the right who saves the planet. It's fun to watch for 25 > minutes, but what's to discuss? > > Louise Well, that's why it appealled to me when I was 14 and not when I was 24. Even then, I preferred stories some ambiguity, if only because it made more sense. Roger Delgado as the Master wanted to make the universe a more organized place; Anthony Andrews as the Master risked destroying the universe (which would destroy him too). One might be evil, in seeking ultimate power, but had a rationale for it that isn't completely without sense. The other was completely around the twist. My favourite was the 7th Doctor, who hid information and lied to his own companions; paired with Ace, who was 'tainted' and violent. Shades of grey become more compelling with age, I think. I love the way this is reflected in the Harry Potter books (I forgot to include them on my list of fandoms!), where each year Harry becomes more aware that the borders between the good guys and bad aren't very clear.

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