Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] The Gospel
by Sally Manton 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Natasha wrotes: <Agreed. Blake's not my favourite character, but I find him the most intriguing and difficult to understand.> With Blake, the usual hero/villain/anti-hero boundaries don't work. Heroes aren't supposed to kill as dispassionately, to be as calculating (when he has to), to have that ice-cold streak - to be willing to take all that blood on their own hands (nor, on a lighter note, to be that autocratic and obstinate and bad-tempered :-)). Anti-heroes aren't supposed to be warm and caring (and yes he *is* IMHO, you've all heard the arguments :-)). Villains (and there are times when what I've read in fanfic or the archives pretty much makes him out to be the villain of the whole piece) aren't supposed to be on the side of freedom, be willing to sacrifice themselves for others, or have a weakness for helping metaphorical lame puppies. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Sally Manton 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: <Oh, guys, this HURTS. This really, bloody hurts.> No, no, Fiona, please DON'T feel that way - I don't think anyone meant that that's what you were doing - as I said, I KNOW the serious posters do not intend to make me feel anything of the sort. And lot of the time I enjoy a great deal of the same discussion, without the "ummm, that's me we're talking about" feeling creeping in. I'm not for one minute *blaming* anyone for the way I sometimes feel, any more than I would feel to blame if I accidentally bumped someone's corn that I didn't even know was there. It's just that - being the way I am - sometimes that is what it feels like *to me*. That's what I was trying to explain, and why I react with a deflecting joke rather than a serious comment. Again, let's go back to the nature of the medium, the web. Were we in Neil's actual rather than virtual pub, and this hc discussion started, and I started feeling a bit over-analysed, you'd be able to tell far better and without words - voice, body language, the way I suddenly found a pressing appointment elsewhere :-) - and metaphorically 'back away' a bit. On a computer screen, it's very much harder to get signals about what the person who wrote the words is feeling, especially since we all have different levels of comfort with different types of discussion, as we all have different senses of humour. And no one can get the nuances all the time; no matter how sensitive we are or try to be, words on a screen are rather bald, catching what's underneath is hard. Ob B7 - why then do I find it so great to watch My Darlings fight up hill and down dale, when I hate it so much myself? No, I don't really need the answer to that one ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Did you order figures at Redemption?
by Judith Proctor 28 Feb '01

28 Feb '01

Did you order some Blake's 7 figures from us at Redemption? Unfortunately the pad of paper which we took the orders on has gone missing. I know what was ordered - if you ordered any (or know either of the two people who did) please contact us. Richard -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Re: To apologise or not to apologise
by M 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Firstly - sorry Tavia, I should have said from what B7 fiction I've read, which I admit is limited. Secondly, the reason I was wondering was also partly the idea about Blake's death. It was, what if he had died dramatically in Star One or even in Blake. It would definately have changed the serious, OK I think for the worse, pessimism and dystopia were definate pluses in Blakes 7. Much better stories then happy go lucky series. However then Blake would be dead, but I dont think people would mind as much as they do that Avon shot him. I dont believe Neil's idea that Blake was a clone (OK I know it was facetious, I thought we had to be serious now???!!!) I do believe Avon was 'stressed' in Season 4 and also at the end of season 3. Don't know if anyone else read this into it, but in Sarcophagus when Avon says you can take my life, I think he's VERY serious. I think after Anna's death he is vaguely suicidal/ depressed - this is my opinion only, if you dont agree - good, if we all agreed life would be dull. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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RE: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Louise Rutter 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Betty wrote: >It kind of saddens me, actually, to think that *why* >individual fans are into the things they're into has become the kind of >topic which can't be discussed without generating hurt feelings. >Because it's something that's really, truly, interesting to me. Much as I like to avoid 'me too' posts, every now and then I can't resist and you really deserve one for this, Betty. FWIW, I didn't see anything wrong with Fiona's questions either, but then I love analysing fandom too. Hey, that's part of the joy of cons - I think the panels I enjoyed most were the ones looking at why the various fans write/think what they do. Louise

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Re: [B7L] To apologise or not to apologise
by Tavia Chalcraft 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >The decision to shoot was, I think, > both conscious and deliberate, but in his mind he was not shooting the Blake > he had known in the past and had hoped to find again, but a stranger who > had, albeit unwittingly, turned everything upside down amid chaotic and > stressful circumstances. ... and I think he has just blown his cover. Pretending not to be a character junkie, indeed! Ellynne, then Neil: >> But, I think it's also more than he can take as a >> character. >I have always seen that as a case of fannish wishful thinking. I agree with Neil, though I'm not sure that this was quite what Ellynne was trying to say? However one might try to explain or excuse, it happened, and Avonfen (me included) just have to put up with the implications for the character of Our Favourite Love/Lust Object. I recently saw Hamlet (the version with Gareth Thomas), with Hamlet played as entirely rational throughout nearly all the action. However much one sympathises with Hamlet, in that take, it was hard not to blame Hamlet for the deaths of Polonius (directly) and Ophelia (indirectly). The only way I personally could absolve Avon would be if he were clinically insane at that point, and (not much wishing to get into this debate) I tend to the view that he is highly stressed, emotionally exhausted, but not insane. Tavia

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Oxfam
by Judith Proctor 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

I'm still totally bushed from Redemption, but I'd like to say a big thank you to everyone who bought books from my Oxfam stock and also to those who dontated books. We took over 130 pounds for Oxfam and have had several boxes of really nice books donated which I'm sure will raise further money for victims of the Indian earthquake and others in desperate need. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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On Domes
by Tavia Chalcraft 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

I did a few calculations for a story on how many people would plausibly fit in a dome. Assuming: (1) a dome radius of around 1 km; (2) a slightly 'cut-down' hemisphere (there must be a word for this but I don't know it); (3) space-filling vertically to fill; (4) 50% of the space filled by industrial or communal uses (parks, transport &c); and (5) a space allocation per family/couple roughly equivalent to a two-up, two-down terrace house on average (this felt conservative to me: higher classes might have more, but would form a relatively small proportion of the total population, lower classes would almost certainly have less). I reckoned you could accommodate several million people in a single dome. This rather surprised me. (Maybe I did my sums wrong.) I agree with those who have postulated living like this would tend to induce a cryptic style of speech. The idea felt to me like my London commuting years.... Tavia

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Fwd: Want a Redemption '01 T-shirt?
by Carolan 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

hmm, sorry if you get this twice; I hit send, then noticed an error....... > >> Hi, I'm de-lurking to make a sales pitch for our magnificent t-shirts (modelled by numerous folks last weekend at Ashford). As we sold all our stock at the convention and have had requests for more, I'll have some printed if I get enough orders. So if you missed out, but crave one of the (IMO) best convention t-shirts around, send me your name, address, t-shirt size(s) and a cheque for £11 per t-shirt payable to Redemption (sorry, restricted to UK only). Orders must be received by Thursday 8th March 2001. As Lesley is up in snowy Scotland on her honeymoon, send your orders to: Anne Wells, 34 Bollington Road, Easterside, Middlesbrough, TS4 3NF Anne ps... if I don't get enough orders to make a print-run viable, your cheque will be returned to you. >> >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Want a Redemption '01 T-shirt?
by Carolan 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Hi, I'm de-lurking to make a sales pitch for our magnificent t-shirts (modeled by numerous folks last weekend at Ashford). As we sold all our stock at the convention and have had requests for more, I'll have some printed if I get enough orders. So if you missed out, but crave one of the (IMO) best convention t-shirts around, send me your name, address, t-shirt size(s) and a cheque for £11 payable to Redemption (sorry, restricted to UK only). Orders must be received by Thursday 8th March 2001. As Lesley is up in snowy Scotland on her honeymoon, send your orders to: Anne Wells, 34 Bollington Road, Easterside, Middlesbrough, TS4 3NF ps... if I don't get enough orders to make a print-run viable, your cheque will be returned to you. Anne (a.k.a. Londo's Dancing "Girl") __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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