Blakes7 February 2001

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HErmit Library
by Judith Proctor 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Jenna fans will want to read the newly-linked stories by Vega. They're an excellent set and link into an internally consistent history. There's also a story by Emma Peel (apologies, I thought this was in the previous update, but it wasn't). There's what I hope will be the first of several stories by Helen Parkinson - however, I'd hold off this one for a week or so as there's some tidying up work to be done on it. (It's in the Library so that our volunteer proof-checker can access it) JUdith (off-list, but gradually writing a long review of Storm Warning on the other computer using the voice-recognitioin software) -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Re: 25%
by Mac4781＠aol.com 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Sally asked: > What suprises me is that Tarrant isn't down for any rescues - I wonder where > my image of him as Lord of the Cavalry Charges comes from? Anyone? Probably because he's usually the first to charge to the rescue when someone is in trouble. Which doesn't necessarily mean he always succeeds/should get credit, but sometimes he should, per my pov. Also, a lot depends on how you count a rescue. Is it a rescue if the person/persons to be rescued are in danger but not actually prisoners? Off the top of my head and probably forgetting some of Tarrant's charges/rescues: Powerplay: Death Squad trooper about to blast Avon into oblivion; Tarrant saves him. And one might count Tarrant's timely intervention when he knocked Avon unconscious and prevented Klegg from identifying Avon, but I'm not sure Avon would count it. He'd probably feel Tarrant should have come up with a less personally painful-to-him intervention. :) Volcano: Tarrant and Dayna rescue Cally. One could argue which of them should get credit, but I'd allot it equally. Tarrant makes the decision that they *should* attempt the rescue (Dayna might possibly have declined if on her own). Then Tarrant gets shot and it's Dayna who takes out the troopers with grenades. Dawn: Tarrant charges out to rescue Vila's "body." Tarrant "rescues" Orac by providing a cleverly deceptive description. City: Retrieving Vila is a group effort, but it's Tarrant who insists they are going to stay and wait for him when Avon wants to leave. Children: Tarrant's the lead voice in the let's go rescue Auron faction. Rumours: Dayna and Tarrant pluck Avon from the Federation cell. They want to pop back down to the palace to rescue him later, but Avon returns before the teleport coordinates are reset. Ultraworld: Tarrant is the first to voice "let's go rescue Cally." Dayna and Tarrant rescue Cally and Avon; again, I see credit going to both of them. Tarrant's explorations keep him and Dayna from getting caught with Avon. Tarrant's explorations allow him to know what to do to restore Cally and Avon's minds. Dayna uses the explosive to break the two of them out of captivity. Both Dayna and Tarrant free Avon and Cally before they are fed to the Core. Moloch: Tarrant and Vila: team effort to rescue Dayna and Avon. Death-Watch: Team effort, with Tarrant playing key role, when they "rescue" Teal and Vandor from the Federation. Terminal: Cally and Tarrant charge down to protect Avon's back. I could continue through fourth season, but I think the above paints enough of a picture to answer the question. Carol Mc

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Re: the patriarchy
by Harriet Monkhouse 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Helen wrote: >That's what I'd do to get rid of the bias >that was inherent in the series-- the main >one being that the nice girls let the boys >be leader instead of pushing their own agendas. From what they told us - at Deliverance, oddly enough - the problem was that the nice actresses didn't realise they should collar the scriptwriter and ask for more to do, and the boys did. Harriet

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Re: [B7L] Re:hurt/comfort-- why Avon?
by Tavia Chalcraft 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Sally wrote: >Avon does give the *impression* of vulnerability under those shields, and >Gan doesn't. Whether it's canonically true doesn't really matter in this instance, >methinks, since fanfic writers are as much influenced (if not more so) >by what they read into the characters as what is strictly on screen. One of the strange things about fanfic is that it's definitely more inspired by other fanfic and fanon (either in positive or negative, 'I don't believe that!' sense) than by canon... So possibly the answer to 'why Avon' is that there's an archetypal Avon torture myth, now lost in the mists of time, that every h/c story is ultimately descended from ... Tavia

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48 hour warning
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

All 22 of the BLAKES 7 items currently running on the Ashton Press eBay auction will be ending in about 48 hours. Remember that these include photos exclusive to Ashton Press and single copies of classic and rare B7 fanzines from the 1980's and early 1990's. Take a moment for a quick peek before they are gone for good; some great treasures to be had at a bargain. Remember that it's *free* to register to bid on eBay. Good luck! http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/

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Re: [B7L] Subtext vs Character
by Tavia Chalcraft 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Most fiction analysis allows several levels of characters, from the real live complicated ones (eg Avon) to the ones who are partly or wholely cliche or archetype or soapbox (eg Meegat). Tavia

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re: handmaid's tale
by Alison Page 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Dana said >>Aw, Alison! The first rule of Fight Club is that you do not talk about Fight Club...now we can't keep them in line by threatening them with C/R groups Well, there was that time we attacked Norman Mailer with nunchuks Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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The handmaid's tale
by Alison Page 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Crikey, I've got to step in here. >>Basically one of the points Atwood seems to be making is that there are sinister similarities between the hardliners on both fronts, and raising the question of whether a feminist utopia would have been better than (or even different from) the Christian one shown in the book. Well, I think point she is making is the reverse of what you say - that people can start from very good motives that we as feminists and liberals (well, I am anyway) might agree with, but that by using oppressive *methods* to acquire these ends they end up committing evil acts. But the main issue in the book is to satirise the way we in the west turn a blind eye to the oppression of people (in particular women) by other cultures in the name of cultural relativism or respect for religious differences. The point of the handmaid's tale is to say - look, it suddenly doesn't seem so acceptable when it is white middle class western women being oppressed. Attwood has given numerous interviews on this subject. Yes I *know* we can read anything we like into a book, and of course I'm not trying to stop you taking away any message you like from it, but I thought people might be interested to hear another perspective. >>The indoctrination techniques in the story are actually startlingly similar to those used in feminist consciousness-raising groups as well. Whoah!! Now this is something I have got an informed opinion on. In the handmaid's tale women are beaten to unconsciousness, raped, imprisoned for months on end, tortured, have their children taken away and so on. Now, I spent much of the eighties in feminist groups, and I'm sure I would have remembered if any of this went on. What happens in a consciousness raising group (happened, they don't seem to exist in this form any more) is that you sit around on uncomfy chairs, and take it in turns to share stories from your life. Like the following type of exchange: 'The men in my office expect me to make the tea every day, and they never do.' 'Why don't you tell them how you feel, they might not have realised how fed up you are about it' They talk about other stuff like sex, domestic violence etc. too. But don't have fantasies about imprisonment and beatings. It's more like AA or something. I apologise that this is so OT, but things seemed to be getting a bit out of hand. Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re: [B7L] Re: torture & h/c
by Tavia Chalcraft 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Mistral wrote: >But the problem with exposing the inner man - >most people edit their thoughts before they voice >them ...Which leaves the author the choice of editing >the character's thoughts to make them sound like external >voice - thereby removing the closeness again - or >writing what one thinks the inner dialogue actually is - >and risk rendering the character's voice unrecognizable >to the reader. It's IMHO a bit tricky. >Mostly, I prefer characterization to come through >actions and dialogue. True, but there's a deal of satisfaction to be gained from making the thought patterns reveal the inner person, weaker than the outer persona yet recognisably the same character. Especially in Avon's case I love the mismatch between overt conscious thoughts, partially hidden yet underlying thoughts, which the reader infers but the character can't see, and actions. Okay, so I'm not a good enough writer to produce this convincingly, but that never stopped me wishing.... I'd rather try -- and fail -- to achieve this, than be forced to stab Avon in the lung every time I want him to express any sentiment. I also think the reprographic technique of B7 writing (to quote one of Neil's excellent essays) -- ie reproducing the on-screen characters is the *most* important thing -- can leave a lot to be desired. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] characters vs interesting stuff
by Sally Manton 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Mistral wrote: <Of course it can't be entirely type-related because there's no accounting for Neil;> I am now waiting for one of the usual suspects to point out that Neil is unique ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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