Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: Meyers-Briggs
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> But my introversion has always been apparent; > it's the T-F modified by P that I needed a real explanation for - I was > always getting criticized for my apparent lack of warmth, or getting > accused of lying when I was being completely truthful, because I don't > give off the same visual cues that most people do. I still have a problem understanding why people think that a person making small talk instead of getting to the point makes them more honest, or being willing to negoiate from wildly different stances on a deal (if I changed my price, that would mean I'd been trying to over charge you before, wouldn't it?) My office played with Meyers-Briggs a little to do team building excercises. I came away with a bad taste in my mouth because they didn't get into explanations and tolerence; it was more like "Make yourself more likeable to other people by being what they expect". Tying this into Blake's 7, perhaps the reason for "Avon apologists" is that we feel that the majority of people will condemn him on the basis of likeability alone, and blind themselves to Blake's occaisional manipulation because he is 'warmer'.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Joanne wrote: <I'm beginning to wonder if we should be grateful that Meegat wasn't an avatar of Zuul (as in Ghostbusters). <"Are you a god?" <Vila says no. <"Then....DIE!" <There might not have been the opportunity for Avon to whack Vila across the head and tell him the answer should've been yes.> Oh please let there be the opportunity ... I love this. Mind you, it does break Sally's Penultimate Rule (My Darlings Survive. Everyone Else's Can Draw Lots.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #44 - 16 msgs
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> I find the I-E particularly useful because it helps in explaining > something about myself and a lot of other Is I know - which is that many > of us score as extroverts on the more usual definitions, and behave that > way, thus leading to bewilderment on the part of others when we turn > anti-social. That bit at kiersey.com about an I enjoying a party for an > hour and then wanting to go home, *now*, is spot-on for me. > -- > Julia Jones Agreed! Also, I love doing public speaking, acting, and other things that many people are too shy to do. People think that's an extrovert thing because one is on display. For me, as an introvert, it isn't too intimidating because I choose what I want to show... the audience sees what I want it to see. In interactive communication, I find myself in the painful position of having to guess how they expect me to react to what they are saying, what they want from me, etc.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Subtext vs Character
by Sally Manton 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

After Betty wrote: <Aaargh! Um, will it help if I say that I really liked Croucher in "Trial"?> Penny decreed: <No. You have to say you really liked him in "Hostage". And you have to say .it like you mean it.> As in with a straight face? Can this be *done*? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re:hurt/comfort
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Okay, I am realizing that as much as I don't like the *sound* of the genre, in a (sort of) PGP I was writing once, "Blake" never happened, the whole ep was Avon hallucinating, and the whole of my story was the other four trying to get a doctor who could get rid of the drug/electronic influences on him. I wasn't thinking of it as a hurt/comfort story, but I realise it fits-- Avon as the patient, the other 4 trying to keep him alive and get him help. My real intention as far as the story line went was to show: 1. The four other rebels using ORAC and their own wits without Avon to guide them. 2. Set to rest a mystery on Vila's background-- the doctor they decide to get for Avon is a man who befriend Vila during his childhood... and tried a little experimental immunization to brainwashing on him (without Vila's knowlege) while treating his chicken pox. 3. derlious Avon reacting to his inner world PGP. 4. Vila forgiving Avon for Orbit in response to 3 5. The lot of them all acting as if the whole thing had never bloody well happened after he's back to normal. 6. A benevolent scienist they use to help solve a problem who *doesn't get killed* at the end of the story, but instead elects to stay around and work on the Pylene-50 problem.

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #41 - 16 msgs
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> > Meegat continues > > to view technology with awe, even when she's had a pretty good look at how > > it works-- and as other people have said, it's a bit odd that nobody in her > > society thought of flicking a switch to see what happens. > > And it's puzzled me when they've said it - flipping switches at random > is begging for something to go wrong. These people didn't even have > electricity; why wouldn't they view something as complex as a rocket > launching with awe? I'm relatively certain that I couldn't walk into a > deserted mission control and figure out how to launch a Saturn V without > any instructions. > > Mistral Well, actually, I think the realistic thing would be for Avon to be unable to launch the rocket, because someone who knew next to nothing about technology had figured out how to make a screwdriver, gotten into the panels, pulled out too many wires, undone some of the lights (which were then used to make jewelry or something) and left the machinery she hadn't butchered on, causing the power to run out. I didn't say that pressing a few buttons they'd *succeed* in launching the rocket. I just stated that they *would* flick switches. People are inclined to fiddle with things, try to solve puzzles, and try to make the best use they can out of the resources they have available.

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Re: characters vs interesting stuff
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

INTx here. Character junkie-- I'd had given the show cursory viewing for the plot-- rebels vs. big, bad empire + exploring the universe is interesting. But given gaping plot holes, oft shoddy science, garage-born specifial effects, I probably wouldn't have given it much time if the complexity of character interaction and terrific dialog hadn't snared me. In fact, I became a Blake's 7 addict watching it on a black & white screen full of 'snow' because the broadcasting station was on the other side of some mountains. Come to think of it, the dialogue and characters were the only thing I could fully appreciate at the time. I gave up on Star Trek because the characters didn't seem to develop.

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Re: Leadership-- Cally
by Helen Krummenacker 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

> Cally never struck me as the leader type. She could be independent but, > once she had identified with a cause, I think she prefered working along > side someone to taking the lead herself (at least when working with > humans). > I see her as being perfectly willing to follow someone who is working *for the cause*, and thus, it was perfectly sensible for her to go along with Blake's leadership in most situations. But when Blake disappeared, it is Cally the good-natured mystic rather than Cally-the-warrior (whom I prefer) who has to be the core of Cally *simply* to allow her *not* to attempt a leadership role. Whether or not she wants to lead, she wants the Federation's expansion stopped. It was pretty clear that was not Avon's main goal during the 3rd season. It would have made sense for her to gain more influence during that time, if her character had not lost most of her drive. Jenna, however, was not in a position to be likely to become a long-term leader. She seems to prefer being a team player. Being an expert smuggler does not necessarily make one a leader, and even when she clashed with Avon, it was on loyalty to the team over opportunism. Since she left the ship at the same time as Blake, she had no opportunity to take advantage of the restructuring of power on the ship.

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Re: [B7L] Paul Darrow & B7 movie
by Harriet Monkhouse 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Marian wrote: >The program was about "parties of international > allure". (Apparently the TVcrew in question have >managed to persuade their boss to dosh out money for >letting them cover posh parties all over the world.) So Avon doesn't count as a party of international allure in his own right? Harriet

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by J MacQueen 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

I'm beginning to wonder if we should be grateful that Meegat wasn't an avatar of Zuul (as in Ghostbusters). "Are you a god?" Vila says no. "Then....DIE!" There might not have been the opportunity for Avon to whack Vila across the head and tell him the answer should've been yes. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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