Blakes7 January 2002

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Re: Six Speculations on Belkov's Survival - Episode Winners
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

(David argued that since every episode has a winner at its end, so Games too has a winner, and Belkov is the winner at end of Games) David >> With the exceptions of Terminal and Animals, every episode has a winner at the end. Winner is defined as some improvement in the life or assets of the winner. Marian > I can agree with most of the list but not with D >> Breakdown - Gan M > He's still stuck with his limiter, so it seems stalemate rather than an improvement. D Gan was suffering on three points: 1. If Avon is right, then the limiter was feeding scrambled impulses into Gan's brain; 2. The Mechanical Doctor said, "Condition must be relieved if permanent brain damage is to be avoided"; 3. Gan was in pain. None of these applied after Breakdown. So I view Gan as winner. D >> Shadow - Bek M > He's lost his sister (as far as we can see his only family member left) and being returned to Terra Nostra territory by Blake makes his chances for survival rather bleak. D Bek would disagree that he was a winner after Hannah's death ("Oh, yes, just another Dreamhead"). He is now free of having to provide for his family's addiction to Shadow, and he is a loose cannon in Space City. Also he knows who the Terra Nostra are and can use the knowledge. For example, if the Terra Nostra caught him, he could threaten to release this information in the event of his death. If the Federation caught him, he could say he has lost his family to Shadow, and that he is fighting Shadow. The admixture of both sides of the law can be used in Bek's favour. D >> Pressure Point - Veron, all Rebels M > Veron has lost her mother along with her whole rebel group. D Oops. I was thinking mythically - Veron becomes the new Earth-Goddess, that sort of thing - since I am writing her mother's Back-Story. Kasabi can have no better death than on Earth and during a raid on Federation Central Control that was. When the story is finished (I have nearly done her father's story), I may raise the issue of Veron again, but few people seem to like her. M > Left behind on Earth, her survival chances seem as slim as Bek's. (Although Kasabi may have arranged for a 'safe house' for her.) D Thanks for the idea - I may use it. Veron is privy to some important knowledge. She could use the knowledge to gain survival in a desperate situation. The last time we see Veron, she is in the Building in the Zone, close to the surface, say, three floors down. There are no troops around Avon: One thing is in our favour: there do not seem to be any security forces within the zone. Blake: None at all? Avon: They don't need them. The defence system is totally automated. It is more efficient than any brigade of troops. And the defence system is de-activated. Troops will come and would capture her if she tarried, but they are in no hurry (See Servalan's and Travis' "eventually"). D >> Trial - Blake, Zil M > Zil dies. To quote Vila: "If that's winning, I'll take losing every time." D Quite right. I was thinking of Zil's children. I should have written Travis. Travis and Blake were the winners at the end of Trial. D >> Killer - Passing Traffic M > I'd add Servalan, since Blake's plague warning prevented her from landing on the contaminated planet. D I missed that completely. Blake saved Servalan against Avons' wishes. That is a worthy addition to the list. D >> Rumors of Death - Avon M > Although he probably wished he hadn't bothered. D He is relieved of a burden. The thoughts and history he was lugging around were a huge burden. He may even have come to feel relieved. Rumours is a gain for Avon (a la Bek and Hannah). D >> Animals - Og (?) M > I'd say the viewers - having managed to watch it through to the end gives such a profound feeling of achievement :-) (Sorry, Una.) D This one disturbs my argument. Terminal can be a valid exception to the rule of winners every episode, but Animals has no special or unusual redeeming or mitigating points that are more important than Terminal. (It is a good programme in itself, by the way.) They messed about with Og and caused him pain, so it may have been a gain for him to die, like Dorian's partner at the end of Rescue. That was my reasoning but it doesn't quite work. Og doesn't really belong on the list. My argument needs a better winner from Animals before it can say Belkov survived. And in any case, Gambit can take the honour. Thanks M and HM. DC

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Avon, Ensor and the System
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

There are several possible reasons for the 'tarriel cell compatible technology' of Zen/the Liberator/the System (Orac has 'no apparent problem' in overriding System computers). a) Independent but parallel development sufficient for Orac to understand. Going by 20th/21st century computers this is 'unlikely.' This implies some communication between the System and the Federation - probably one way as even Servalan/the Federation High Command are unaware of the System. (This would also imply that the System is 'not in the direction of' Andromeda/Horizon, or the Federaiton would have come into contact with it.) Correlating the information in 'Orac' and 'Redemption' the System's space centre was probably constructed long before Ensor developed the Tarriel cells. b) The System goes technology hunting (the equivalent of the Chengas?) - the Liberator/DSV2 is one of a series of such ships, but went close to the battlefield to acquire 'equipment' and got caught in the crossfire. c) My previous suggestion that Ensor came from the System, bringing the tarriel cell technology to the Federation. (This might explain why he did not have his mechanical heart replaced - incompatible tissue types.) d) Ensor (who, it appears withdrew from the Federation so he could get on with his researches privately) encountered an earlier System spaceship with 'tarriel cell equivalent technology' and made use of its technology. Neither this nor c) reflects against Ensor's capacities in making the two systems compatible. Any other possibilities? As for Avon - when would he have come from the System (and why?) There is no evidence that he came from anywhere other than Earth/the Solar System (Gan might, as he habitually wears a different costume to the others - the equivalent of 'regional dressing' now). If he had 'suddenly appeared' a few years before, he is unlikely to have been given access to some of the things he was - the banking system and the teleportation project. If he was a former inhabitant of the system he probably moved as a child (which, if he was 'mechanically gifted' would still enable him to have some idea of the technology he left behind). He could also have a strong visual memory - and there is a #very# noticable constellation in the bit of the System's sky we are shown. It would be ironic if Avon came from a family which left the System because they disagreed with it, and got caught up in an attempt to overthrow the Federation. Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] Directors and Writers
by Sally M 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

Harriet wrote: "Thank you, that felt extremely useful, though I've no idea what for." <gurgle> funny, that's what I thought as well. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [B7L] New web site
by Sally M 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

:-) Poor Vila. Lots of fun, Nico, thank you (even if Fearless Leader didn't survive, mutter grumble) I liked the way you got the voices. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Directors and Writers
by Sally M 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

Going through some paperwork and finding a list of B7 credits, I found a new time-waster in making a list of each of the episode directors and which episodes they directed. Some of you probably have this sort of list, but here 'tis anyway: Michael E Briant - The Way Back, The Web, Project Avalon, Deliverance (with David Maloney) Pennant Roberts - Space Fall, Time Squad, Mission to Destiny, Bounty Vere Lorrimer - Cygnus Alpha, Seek-Locate-Destroy, Breakdown, Orac, Redemption, Killer, Hostage, Countdown, Aftermath, City at the Edge of the World, Ultraworld, Moloch Douglas Camfield - Duel David Maloney - Deliverance (with Michael E. Briant), Star One, Powerplay Jonathan Wright Miller - Shadow, Horizon George Spenton-Foster - Weapon, Pressure Point, Voice from the Past, Gambit Derek Martinus - Trial, Derek Martinus Desmond McCarthy - Volcano, Dawn of the Gods Gerald Blake - The Harvest of Kairos, Death-Watch Andrew Morgan - Children of Auron Fiona Cumming - Rumours of Death, Sarcophagus Mary Ridge - Terminal, Rescue, Power, Animals, Headhunter, Blake David Sullivan Proudfoot - Traitor, Stardrive, Assassin Vivienne Cozens - Games, Sand Brian Lighthill - Gold, Orbit Viktors Ritelis - Warlord I tried to discern any pattern, as we can see with the writers, but failed totally (how could the same director perpetrate Kairos and Death-Watch?) I do notice that there are less directors all told in the first 2 seasons, just as there were less writers, but OTOH, Mary Ridge directed 6 (and a mixed bunch they were too), more than many of the earlier ones. And while I'm at it, here's the writers (which I *know* a lot of you have, but some people mightn't): Writers Terry Nation - The Way Back, Space Fall, Cygnus Alpha, Time Squad, The Web, Seek-Locate-Destroy, Mission to Destiny, Duel, Project Avalon, Breakdown, Bounty, Deliverance, Orac, Redemption, Pressure Point, Countdown, Aftermath, Powerplay, Terminal Chris Boucher - Shadow, Weapon, Trial, Star One, City at the Edge of the World, Rumours of Death, Death-Watch, Rescue, Blake Allan Prior - Horizon, Hostage, The Keeper, Volcano, Animals Robert Holmes - Killer, Gambit, Traitor, Orbit Roger Parkes - Voice from the Past, Children of Auron, Headhunter James Follett - Dawn of the Gods, Stardrive Ben Steed - The Harvest of Kairos, Moloch, Power Tanith Lee - Sarcophagus, Sand Trevor Hoyle - Ultraworld Rod Beacham - Assassin Bill Lyons - Games Colin Davis - Gold Simon Masters - Warlord Interesting that the last four - four of the better episodes from S4 IMO - were all one-offs as far as the writer went. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [B7L] Six Speculations on Belkov's Survival.
by Marian de Haan 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

DC wrote: >6. With the exceptions of Terminal and Animals, every episode has a winner at the end. Winner is defined as some improvement in the life or assets of the winner. I can agree with most of the list but not with >Breakdown - Gan He's still stuck with his limiter, so it seems stalemate rather than an improvement. >Shadow - Bek He's lost his sister (as far as we can see his only family member left) and being returned to Terra Nostra territory by Blake makes his chances for survival rather bleak. >Pressure Point - Veron, all Rebels Veron has lost her mother along with her whole rebel group. Left behind on Earth, her survival chances seem as slim as Bek's. (Although Kasabi may have arranged for a 'safe house' for her.) >Trial - Blake, Zil Zil dies. To quote Vila: "If that's winning, I'll take losing every time." >Killer - Passing Traffic I'd add Servalan, since Blake's plague warning prevented her from landing on the contaminated planet. >Rumors of Death - Avon Although he probably wished he hadn't bothered. >Animals - Og (?) I'd say the viewers - having managed to watch it through to the end gives such a profound feeling of achievement :-) (Sorry, Una.) Marian

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Re: [B7L] New web site
by Anna Carkeet 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

>Nico wrote: > >I have just put up a B7 fiction web site (in fact it's my first ever) >with >Vila Restal's E-mails for years 1 through 4,< > they were great! i spent many hours reading them! thanks! anna _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [B7L] New web site
by Marian de Haan 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

Nico wrote: >I have just put up a B7 fiction web site (in fact it's my first ever) with Vila Restal's E-mails for years 1 through 4,< They're wonderfully witty. Thanks for sharing them. Marian

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re: New web site (Vila's E-mails)
by Mel Saxby 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

Just finished reading Vila's E-Mails, and heartily recommend them to everyone. They're funny, and touching, and they've even managed a happy ending. Nice to see Vila getting a bigger share of the attention - much as I love Avon and Blake, I've always had a soft spot for Vila, thief or not, he's a nice guy. Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/3/02

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Mythmakers - Greif
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

If anybody's interested there were a couple of signed copies of this video in the West Croydon (near London) Forbidden Planet. Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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