Blakes7 January 2002

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Re: Character ages
by Kai V Karmanheimo 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Hello Though of course Steven Pacey was almost fifteen years younger than Tarrant as originally written for season three, it has never bothered me. Compared to various Hollywood productions demanding the audience to believe that two people with six-year age difference are father and daughter or that teenagers really are like these people who look like they could already have teenage children of their own, it takes very little suspension of disbelief to think that Steven Pacey of 1979-81 vintage is suppose to be over 30. As for the mental side, I don't see why a man in his mid-thirties couldn't have a Flash Gordon complex just like a man in his early-twenties. If you need an in-series excuse, plastic surgery could really be viable, as a means of repairing job-related damage; in case of Space Command officer, anything from enemy fire to having the ship's coffee maker explode in your face (any shipyard putting together ships that can't fly without wobbling through a bit of time-distort turbulence is unlikely to maintain very high standards of safety and functionality with the non-essential systems) or being told by your commanding officer to "just go check what those leathery, egg-like things in that ship wreck are, I'm sure there's no danger..." Not everyone considers battle scars to be a batch of honour or an individualist fashion statement, and when it's time to reconstruct the face, well, of course what the doctor uses is the old archive image taken from when you were just a wet-eared wanna-be star killer. This explanation of course doesn't count for Deeta, but since I've rationalising this far, why not consider them brothers in this respect as well. Imagine Deeta, a handgun to cleaned and a way too many intoxicants to remember about basic things like checking whether the gun is loaded before you start messing it with clumsy fingers. Then imagine a lot of screaming, some embarrassing questions like "where's my nose" and then a call to the nearest plastic surgeon to get your mug to look like the official fan portrait again of the champion of Teal, and since the pictures retouched anyway, could you just snip a bit here and tighten things a bit here and... Kai

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Fwd: [B7L] The Wrong Lie?
by Pherber＠aol.com 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Oops - meant this for the list - sorry Sally! N

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[Fwd: [B7L] Another puzzle]
by Jen McGee 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Dang, I responded directly to Nico rather than the list, so Nico's going to get two copies as I forward on to the list. Sorry. JM > Nicola Mody-Nikoloff wrote: > > > Besides being puzzled about Belkov's crystals and his fate, here's an > > exchange in Volcano which leaves me as much in the dark as it did Vila: > > I agree, I was puzzled too. I took the exchange to mean that Avon decided not to risk the Liberator or their lives on one weak signal, > but didn't tell the others because he knew they would disagree (well, Cally would). > > However, there's a sort of weird, meaningful nonverbal undertone to the conversation that I took to mean the two were discussing > something deeper than Tarrant and Dayna's whereabouts. I decided it was meant to obliquely reference the fact that Blake and Jenna are > still missing and Cally is questioning Avon's willingness to actually find them. I don't really have any evidence for the theory > except that they sure seem to be discussing something important, and that's the only topic that comes to mind. > > Jen McGee

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RE: [B7L] Character ages
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Jen wrote: > I know my husband, desperate to make the "first command was > 15 years ago" > statement fit with the fact that darnit, he just can't be > 32--he doesn't look it > or particularly act it, has considered writing a "Star Wars > I" scenario somehow > in which a 6-year-old Del Tarrant manages to blunder into/win > an honorary > lieutenantship in an emergency situation. Oh no, a 6-year-old brat even more annoying Wesley Crusher! Or Tarrant had plastic surgery to go with his perfect teeth and perm. ;-) > I personally have a hell of a time accepting that > first-season Vila is younger > than I am, even if Keating was at the time. But that's just > a personal quirk of > mine--even as I get older, I have a hard time accepting that > leading characters can be younger than I am. Well, I'm 30 and I guessed Vila as 28 to start with, ignoring his hair and going by his face and his (at first) bouncy playful nature. I think I'll leave him there as otherwise I'll have to forego a "But I *am* in my prime, well one of them - 31!" joke in the e-mails. > And I agree Dayna comes across as younger than 21 or so, but > an extremely sheltered life will do that. I thought she was younger too. I've been told Josette Simon was. Pity they didn't bring out more of Dayna's ignorance of the world, but maybe her tutors taught her well. Let's not mention that perv Justin though... Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Another puzzle
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Besides being puzzled about Belkov's crystals and his fate, here's an exchange in Volcano which leaves me as much in the dark as it did Vila: CALLY: Orac hasn't picked up anything. They've been out of contact for an hour now. I think it's time to start worrying. VILA: I've been worried all along. AVON: We agreed to wait for them to contact us. CALLY: But not this long. AVON: We don't draw attention to the bracelets without a good enough reason. CALLY: I think this is a good enough reason. AVON: Zen was picking up a signal from the ground. It could have been some kind of beam approach detector. CALLY: You didn't say anything at the time. AVON: No, I didn't. CALLY: Why was that? AVON: Because I wasn't sure. CALLY: That wasn't the reason, Avon. AVON: No, it wasn't. VILA: You gonna let me in on the secret? AVON: You wouldn't understand it if we did. Well, I'm with Vila. I don't get it. Help, anyone? Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Gambit
by Helen Atkins 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Without rewatching the episode, I thought that Belkov had no crystals at the time of the episode (they had been mined out long ago) and had been living off funds supplied by the Federation for the mining operation, sending back crystals mined but withheld whilst there were still any left (productivity being half of what had been expected). Belkov, ship and no crystals were then sent into the black hole by a disfunctional /"unhappy" computer. I didn't think this was a very good script. Given that he was obviously able to steal Feldon crystals (perhaps the Federation had lost its records of Argyle Diamonds' operations?) Belkov could have nicked a few crystals whilst mining at full pace and shut the planet down when it was mined out. Given the price of crystals, this would have given him funds for luxury with a much better chance of living to enjoy them. I suppose Belkov might have thought he'd find another deposit and been doing exploratory mining during the second half of the operating period, and found he couldn't and thought that the Federation might shoot him for incompetence. However, if this was the case it should have been worked in to his explanation. I hated the "infinite" amplification property of the Feldon crystals. Logically, a crystal used to produce unlimited energy must have unlimited mass, and be a black hole. I think script writers should avoid naked singularities. I think the only thing sillier I've seen was the Voyager-in-a-black-hole episode of Star Trek. If you've got survivable faster than light travel already, black holes become dangerous but potentially non-lethal navigational obstacles. Still, why let the absence of a decent script get in the way of asthetic appreciation of Servalan's gowns and appreciation of Avon in black leather? To me, the oddest thing about the episode was Vila's behaviour. He shot without trying any other ploy first - a sensible thing to do, but very un-Vila like. I thought his behaviour in the rest of the series was not personally physically aggressive, with the exception of Blake (and even then he apologised). In Gambit, Vila kills without hesitation in a very calculated fashion. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [B7L] Character ages
by Sally M 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

My estimates as of their first episode Blake - 33 (the clone says *he's* 34 in Weapon, and it is reasonable to make them the same) Jenna - 30 (though her visible age wavers quite a lot) Vila - 30-ish Gan - 37-38 (I just think he comes across as older then the rest) Avon - 33-4 (I believe PD was born in 1941, and is about 2 years older than GT, but I pull it back because they seem pretty much the same age to me; Avon does look quite young in the 1st series) Cally - the Auron equivalent of 25 (see my post yesterday - she ages mentally, if not physically) Dayna - 20-21 (based on Aftermath. Okay, so she's immature) Tarrant - at least 28, even if he looks a lot younger. Too much back-history to be fitten in otherwise. Soolin - 25-ish Servalan - at least 40, has a good plastic surgeon. Travis - actually gets *younger* as the series progresses ... JMO. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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RE: [B7L] Gambit
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Helen Atkins wrote: > To me, the oddest thing about the episode was Vila's > behaviour. He shot > without trying any other ploy first - a sensible thing to do, > but very > un-Vila like. I thought his behaviour in the rest of the > series was not > personally physically aggressive, with the exception of Blake > (and even then > he apologised). In Gambit, Vila kills without hesitation in a very > calculated fashion. I don't think Vila did kill that guard. I too thought it was very out of character. But if you freeze-frame, he squeezes his eyes shut when he pulls the trigger (much more like him), and later the guard isn't there, seen as a blooper by many. I think Vila just stunned him, on a light enough charge too for the guard to crawl away soon afterwards. He'd be much more likely to shoot if he knew he wasn't going to kill anyone - after all in Moloch he couldn't shoot that trooper, and he objected to the killing of the putative Cancer. This time he just stuns a guard who was going to ignore him and pass by (and even then has to shut his eyes doing it) but possibly kill one of the others. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Avon and the System
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

aps it is not Avon who is a product of the System - but Ensor and Orac. Consider the evidence of episodes 12-14. While Ensor junior and Marriot may be passing through Cephalon's system because it is convenient to do so/for navigational purposes/the ship's energy banks can be recharged through solar power, why is the Liberator passing by?

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New web site
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

I have just put up a B7 fiction web site (in fact it's my first ever) with Vila Restal's E-mails for years 1 through 4, in which Vila e-mails his mum, the crew, and occasionally Servalan and Travis. Hope you get a few laughs anyway. The site is at http://www.farsight.net.nz and I'm writing under a shorter name - no-one will remember my full one! I will soon be adding three more stories, more serious ones this time. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Blakes7 January 2002