Blakes7 January 2002

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Re: [B7L] The Wrong Lie?
by Ellynne G. 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:52:23 -0500 "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> writes: > Thanks to all for the replies. However, > if you don't know you've been mind-wiped > until after the mind-wipe fails, you might > present a vivid counter-example to others, > but YOU aren't suffering. Besides the control issue - and I think the Federation was always willing during S1 to sacrifice just about anyone and anything for expediency an control. So, it's not a big issue to them to sacrifice three children to make a convincing case against Blake. In the same way, if they could crush opposition more effectively by making Blake a happy citizen, that's what they would (and did) do. OTOH, if we insist on a revenge motive, the person in charge of Blake's case may have been the kind to get a sick pleasure out of what was done to him. Maybe this person would occasionally stop by and chat, enjoying how the brainwashed Blake was so impressed that a high ranking, government official could be so friendly and egalitarian, asking questions about his family and how he was doing, etc. Making Blake into a trusting, subserviant, timid, tow the line citizen _was_ the revenge. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: [B7L] The Wrong Lie?
by Sally M 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Harriet wrote: "A few warped individuals may like hurting people, but I believe the system, and most of those running it, are more interested in control than punishment as such." I think this is born out by the Dr Havant-Alta Morag scene in The Way back; they're quite disinterested in whether the fake charges are going to hurt Blake personally, just whether the charges will do the necessary job of discrediting him. To these two, Blake is not a dissenter to be punished but an administrative problem to be solved, and the abuse of children just a clerical detail. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: [B7L] Which female characters to write about
by Marian de Haan 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Minnie asked: >Can Piri land on Justin and squish him then?? <G> Oh yes - and they can both land on Og's horns :-) Marian

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Re: [B7L] Re: Other SF
by J MacQueen 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

>From: "Minnie" <minnie(a)picknowl.com.au> >They did that to you too?? They CH9 did that to us here in Australia too, >and as a result I was taping up a storm and have about 15 episodes to >watch. >Rotten buggers!!!! He's home from New Zealand now, and caught up with Farscape (Sorry to give you the impression that I was anywhere other than Australia, Minnie). He has noted that NZ often gets genre stuff long before Australia (an example being the remake of Randall and Hopkirk, Deceased - he managed to see the first episode, but had to go home before the second. He was a bit disappointed - he wanted to see Tom Baker), but I wonder if that has to do with the impression I've been given that pay-tv is dominant there because free-to-air commercial television viewing is dire*. Not that I'm about to start casting laurel wreaths in the direction of commercial television in Australia, mind you... Regards Joanne *Not only from my brother, but there are the rellies in NZ who've fostered this impression by what they've had to say. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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The Wrong Lie?
by Dana Shilling 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

Thanks to all for the replies. However, if you don't know you've been mind-wiped until after the mind-wipe fails, you might present a vivid counter-example to others, but YOU aren't suffering. Considering the Federation's opinion of rebellion, I'd think they'd a) make sure that the conditioning DIDN'T break down [I know, then there's no series, but still] and b) make sure that the convicted rebel knew damn well what had happened to him/her and his/her family. -(Y)

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Re: The wrong lie
by Helen Krummenacker 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

I think it's a good idea not to tell Blake his family has been killed as a punishment for his crimes. Not matter how they might have convinced him through brainwashing he'd been misguided, the moment he knew his family-- nonviolent (presumably) civilians-- had been executed because the statedisapproved of his actiivities, he knows he was justified after all. The punishment of innocents can hardly be excused by a person of strong ideas. He'd go right back to fighting-- especially since this time he wouldn't have family to worry about.

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Re: [B7L] Which female characters to write about
by Marian de Haan 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

Helen: >> >> I'd like to vote for Piri too, with Servalan as a second option. Minnie: >> >Only if she can be pulled apart by wild horses or something equally destructive :) Piri that is, not Servie :) >Me: >> Servie too, please :-) Minnie: >Would you compromise and have Servie riding one of the horses pulling Piri apart? :) I'd prefer it the other way round, giving Servie the opportunity to rue her observation about Piri being a credit to their sex - but only if afterwards the horse would bolt, throwing Piri off into a bottomless ravine :-) Marian

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Re: [B7L] testing my new bracelet
by Sally M 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Welcome back! Seems to work just fine :-) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Give Me Librium or Give Me Meth
by Dana Shilling 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Presumably Servalan and Travis aren't up to their eyeballs in suppressants (it's really scary to think that they're heavily medicated and would be more... extreme...otherwise). But in TWB, Blake is a high-caste respectable citizen and has to be told to avoid food and drink, so he is given suppressants. Were civilians but not the military given suppressants? Or only rank and file soldiers but not officers or not senior officers? And does the Pylene-50 pacification program show that a) after the Andromedan War, the ordinary suppressants could no longer be administered? b) the Pylene-50 was just supposed to be topped up? c) TPTB forgot about the earlier reference to suppressants? -(Y)

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The Wrong Lie?
by Dana Shilling 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

The Way Back implies that Blake has been getting forged tapes from his brother and sister, who actually are dead. Wouldn't the lie, if any, go in the other direction? At that stage, Blake is a convicted and supposedly rehabilitated rebel and traitor. Wouldn't The Powers that Be want him to feel a constant sense of guilt for getting his family killed (whether or not this had actually happened) instead of wanting him to think that his family were still alive off-world? In the latter case, they *could* serve as hostages for his continued good behavior, but in the former, he would be an awe-inspiring example of the high cost of rebellion and therefore an effective deterrent. -(Y)

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