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Re: Caligula
by Steve Rogerson 22 May '01

22 May '01

Stephen said: "If Caligula had been in charge of the Federation, he would probably have made Og a Senator." Caligula could even make some of my Og stories look tame. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] "camouflage" and incomprehensibility
by Jenny Kaye 22 May '01

22 May '01

"Ann Basart" writes > >Someone said: > > > > > > and not a single snarky thing in it with incomprehensible > >things > >about camouflage. > >And someone else replied: > > > > Only incomprehensible to those who don't want to listen. > > > >Ah, *that's* why I haven't understood anything about the animals/camouflage > >reference. It was *really* because I "didn't want to listen," not because I > >hadn't (still haven't) a clue. I think the answer to that one is both. > >Hmm. Well, if there is anyone who'd care to explain what this recondite > >quote refers to, I (probably) would be grateful. There are people on this lyst who, for their own twisted reasons are promoting a version of B7 which is homophobic and sick. These people are called SLASHERS. They don't like publicity and they don't want to accept any other person's point of view. They are trying to say that a work of fiction is nothing more than a collection of words on a page or images on a screen and they can interpret them in anyway they want. That is total crap, and anywhere else they would be laughed off the planet, but here and on Freedom City that kind of thinking is considered normal. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: OT Response to Rita Part 1
by Jenny Kaye 22 May '01

22 May '01

SLAHER Rita d' Orac wrote: > >I have replied to this message offlist as our discussion is off topic. This discussion was not off topic, it was on topic, it was about SLASHERS and this is a SLASHER lyst. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] trolls
by Jenny Kaye 22 May '01

22 May '01

"Deborah Day" wrote: > >Just out of interest, what exactly is a troll? A troll is a hugely overweight American who, with her twisted sidekick, conducts Himmler style experiments on innocent cats. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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RE: [B7L] Freedom City (was Re: When "Animals" camouflage)
by Jenny Kaye 22 May '01

22 May '01

SLASHER Iain Coleman wrote: > > > > > > > > SLASHER Patricia Roberts wrote > > > > > > > >I will also reply to that, I'm not a "slasher" but do enjoy het > >erotica, > > > > >and love FC and the people on it. > > > > > > Then you are a SLASHER. > > > >Is it because of any hobbies you have that you say then I am a slasher? Look Iain, B7 was not about Avon rogering Blake up the arse. There is a sexual subtext in it for some characters, but it doesn't follow the kind of crap that the "Wortham/Rosenthal bastards" have been promoting. People my want to fantasise about individual characters and possible situations, but when that starts to actually encroach onto the series then we are in trouble. This fantasy is dangerous. And there are techniques being used on both these lysts that are trying to say that all interpretations are valid. That is patently not true. If I picked up a history book about Gladstone and said that "I interpret this book to be about a badger called Frank," anyone else would say that I was mad. That kind of thing is going on all the time here. If I wrote, "IMO Gladstone was a politician", then people would look at me and say, "He *was* a politician!" and they'd be right. The kind of "Wortham/Rosenthal bastard" mindgames I see promoted here are the same kind of shit that lead to the Salem witch hunts. The fact that SLASH came from America is not very surprising really, because they are prone to coming up with barmy ideas. Look at all those redneck religious groups. Look at that loony KKK leader who is trying to promote the friendly face of race hatred. It's mad. And the sad thing about it is there are people who will swallow all this bullshit. The worst thing for me is that B7, a series about revolution, fighting the establishment and fighting mindcontrol has been abused and perversely turned into an instrument of mind control. I know the word "mind control" sounds a bit bollocks, but it really exists. Dr Havant in TWB tries to use a form of it on Blake. Dr Havant tries to tell Blake that what he saw, the cold blooded murder of the rebels, was in fact just an illusion. That what he saw has no real meaning at all and in fact didn't happen the way he thought. Dr Havant was using his position as a Doctor and his position as part of the ruling establishment to bring pressure on Blake, to make Blake deny the evidence of his own eyes. This sort of thing happens all the time. People in police custody have confessed to crimes they did not commit, because of the mental pressure brought to bear on them by establishment figures. Wortham and Rosenthal were two high profile fans. Back in their day they used to brag that they could "make or break an actor". When they found power slipping away from them they tried to do just that. It failed. It broke them. They've never forgotten it, and through Lysator they have promoted their "take" on the show. This "take" has a name. It's called SLASH. A lot of people here like SLASH. Many think it is harmless. It is not. There are many case studies that show that pornography can have a distorting effect on people's perceptions. That is undeniable. SLASH to my mind is worse. Porn affects us because sex is a vital part of being a human being. Without sex we wouldn't be here. Porn is addictive because it stimulates the parts of the brain that deal with sexual feelings. If you then link porn with a favourite TV show then you have two feeders. The sex and a programme you love. Many people have been fans of B7 for many years. It is a part of you all. You can quote lines from it. You have all watched the episodes hundreds of times. You link that show with porn and you have got a strong conditioner. You say that all interpretations are valid and that B7 was in fact about porn. then you are starting to alter peoples perceptions on reality. The "Wortham/Rosenthal bastards" are a powerful presence on this lyst. We know that they are serial liars. Even Faulkner has admitted on lyst that they play "mindgames". Certainly the "Wortham/Rosenthal bastard" "take" on the show is very prevalent on this lyst, together with a number of other quite bizzaro ideas, such as not inviting too many B7 guests to conventions, and that these events should be about fans and that if an actor appears at a con then he will take over. This is psychotic fantasy. Dreamed up by two slightly mad individuals who twelve years ago fell out with a man who is now dead. And all these views stem from that. And are passed on. And are believed. A B7 convention will never get many attendees because if they don't have any good guests then you aren't going to get a lot of people. Most people are not interested in attending a convention that is only about fan things. Most people go to conventions because they want to see an actor. Most conventions run today will have guests and that is what you will be up against. If you can't keep up then you fall by the wayside. B7 has become a clique. B7 fandom has become insular. And if that goes on then in the end B7 fandom is going to die out. They say, "whom gods destroy, they first turn mad." SLASH is the first sign of this madness. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] trolls
by Jenny Kaye 22 May '01

22 May '01

SLAHSER Lisa Williams wrote: > >Deborah Day wrote: > > > >>Just out of interest, what exactly is a troll (in the flame sense?) > > The ones who post bizarre, paranoid rants and *do* believe them > >are frequently emotionally unbalanced, if not actually mentally ill. > >There's not much you can do for that lot, but it's fairly pointless to try > >to hold a rational conversation with them, because they literally can't do > >it. That basically sums up a lot of people on this lyst. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] All Gone?... Naaah.
by Jenny Kaye 22 May '01

22 May '01

SLASHER Iain Coleman wrote: > > > > > > > > SLASHER Iain Coleman wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm deeply hurt ! If I'm going to appear in someone's > > > > > > delusional world > > > > > > That's true still. > > > >Why do you say that's true still? Because this entire Lyst is deluded. It is a product of Ashton Press. > > > > > > view I want to be one of those purple > > > > > > lizards David Icke thinks runs the world ! Or Leah > > > > > > Rosenthal ! I mean, Third Programmed Cultist, what a > > > > > > let down. > > > > > > > > > >That's showbiz, luvvie. But always remember, there are no small > >parts: > > > > >only small actors. > > > > > > A better one would be "there are no small parts: only small minds." > > > > > > > > > >What makes you believe that? People in small parts rarely see the big picture. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] I don't believe it
by Jenny Kaye 22 May '01

22 May '01

Iain Coleman wrote: Jenny Kaye wrote: > > > > > > > > "Deborah Day" wrote > > > > > > > >Three whole digests > > > > > > All about vegetables!!!! > > > >Maybe your plans have something to do with this. I think you're right. Vegetables are trying to drown me out with vegetables. > > > > > > > > and not a single snarky thing in it with > > > > >incomprehensible things about camouflage. > > > > > > Only incomprehensible to those who don't want to listen. > > > > > > >Can you elaborate on that? Yes, see my other email to you. > > > > > Posts about Blakes 7. > > > > > > These posts have nothing to do with B7. > > > > > > >Is it because of your life that you say these posts have nothing to do > >with b7? No. It is because B7 wasn't about garden vegetables. I like a joke. But have you ever wondered why all these tagged SLASHERS are writing 60 emails a day about Vegetables? It's because they don't want to listen or think about what I am saying. > > > > > > > Am I on > > > > >the right list? > > > > > > If you're a SLASHER, yes. > > > > > > >Is it because of all the people you hang around with that you are going > >through all this? No. It is because of all the people who hang around this lyst that I am going through all of this. > > > > > > >This is fun!! > > > > > > Who for? > > > > > > >Do you really think who for? No I think, "Not fun for me!" > > > Please note: that there has been a lot of people talking about > >"vegetables" > > > on Lysator today. Three of the chief culprits have been Leah Rosenthal, > > > Steve Rogerson and "Evil" Annie Wortham. However, of the sixty or so > >emails > > > so far, 98% of them come from tagged SLASHERS. Now think to yourself, > >why > > > are there so many SLASHERS running around talking about "vegetables"? > >Two > > > reasons 1/ There is no way that I am going to be able to answer sixty > > > emails, 2/ There is nothing I can say about them anyway, except the > >above, > > > over and over again. This is a SLASHER list, run by SLASHERS. Please > >leave > > > and join a proper B7 list now. > > > > > > >How do you reconcile problems at school? Education. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] trolls
by Jenny Kaye 22 May '01

22 May '01

Iain Coleman wrote: Some examples of people > >who are not trolls, though they are sometimes mistaken for trolls: Entertaining precis snipped So what are Annie Wortham and Leah Rosenthal then? Kooks? Ideologues? The clinically insane? None of these, just two vindictive bitchs with an ax to grind. And not much else in their lives. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Caligula
by Steve Rogerson 22 May '01

22 May '01

Stephen Date said: "I don't think Caligula would have lasted long in the B7 Universe." Don't know, he could end up running Space City or Freedom City. He would probably be drawn to them at any rate. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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