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Re: [B7L] Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 09 May '01

09 May '01

Marian de Haan wrote: >Jenny wrote: > >>And the fact that he doesn't give her name, or even say "my wife" >or "my lover", but "my woman". Creepy.<< > >I always assumed it to be the accepted expression in the Federation, as >Shrinker uses it too when talking about Anna Grant to Avon ("I never saw >your woman!") But look what Shrinker is? A torturer. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Fw: [B7L] Terminal (was: moloch/limiters)
by Guy Kendall 09 May '01

09 May '01

Alison wrote: > Even if it isn't true, I think Servalan believes it is true. She believes > the political future is inevitable, so she might as well look out for > herself within that overall context. A ruling class that makes use of > psychostrategists is likely to have that view I would think. > Hi everyone - I'm a newcomer here, so I should really borrow some of Slave's humility for my first few postings, but...... Do we really believe Servalan thinks about this stuff much ? She's cunning, politically aware, has a certain amount of tactical deviousness/cleverness etc, but does she ever think of anything which doesn't directly affect her ? Guy

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Re: [B7L] mutoids
by Jenny Kaye 09 May '01

09 May '01

Jacqui wrote: >- and what does Travis mean when he refers to their bionic upgrade (or >whatever, I am going from memory)? The Bionic Man was very popular at the time, and there was a lot of interest in bionics-- that is, the science of developing and using artificial limbs and organs-- in the 1970s. And it's "Bionic Rebuild," btw. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: bleakness and Servalan (was Terminal)
by Helen Krummenacker 09 May '01

09 May '01

Tavia said: > I'm not convinced Servalan's bleak world view by Rumours was > necessarily > present at the start of the series. She gives me the impression of > being > curiously innocent and almost optimistic in S1, especially. One of the > nice > things about the series to me is the way in which even the villains' > characters are radically developed as time passes. > She does appear innocent in the beginning, I think because of the hairstyle-- it's rather like the Peter Pan cut. I wonder if the changes in her retinue also helped with the illusion of powerful aging-- in the beginning, she stands next to Travis, and looks like she could be his teenage neice. "Pressure Point" actually verbalizes some of it; Servalan was apparently so spoiled it never occurred to her even as a cadet that there were ethical concerns in the way the Federation operated. Kasabi considered her the epitome of what was wrong. Yet, in the end, Kasabi faulted herself for not having tried to reach through and find something decent within the brat.

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Hello, Guy (wasTerminal, was Moloch/limiters)
by Helen Krummenacker 09 May '01

09 May '01

> Hi everyone - I'm a newcomer here, so I should really borrow some of > Slave's > humility for my first few postings, but...... > > No, not that, anything but that! > Do we really believe Servalan thinks about this stuff much ? She's > cunning, > politically aware, has a certain amount of tactical > deviousness/cleverness > etc, but does she ever think of anything which doesn't directly affect > her ? > Valid question. However, her skills seem to be primarily political (as opposed to military), and that general equates to an awareness of historical trends, and an ability to at be persuasive while dealing with other intelligent and educated people. To me, that suggests she would have reasonable sounding philosophic and theoretic arguements to back up suggestions. If you look at it that way, it does directly affect her. It also means she might not be that interested in the ultimate truth, but merely the studies, etc, that validate her viewpoint. Welcome to the Lyst, Guy. Helen

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Re: [B7L] Avon needs blake...
by Marian de Haan 09 May '01

09 May '01

Guy wrote: >What still troubles me is why Avon needs Blake. Various reasons have been suggested, but I don't really find any of them very convincing.< Apart from the last episode, I don't see any evidence in the series for Avon needing Blake. And in "Blake" he gives a rational reason - they need him as figurehead. IMO in Terminal Avon doesn't go looking for Blake because he needs him but out of a sense of duty. Blake's disappearance meant that Avon couldn't keep his part of the bargain - bringing Blake to Earth in exchange for the Liberator. I don't think Avon would lose any sleep over it but, as a man of his word, he'd prefer to honour his debt if the occasion arose. Of course, the chance for Blake to stir up things on Earth is over, so they'd have to find some other arrangement. I think the idea of trying to establish a base on Obsidian ("Volcano") is especially meant as alternative for Blake: if the road to Earth is closed, providing Blake with a base elsewhere - in exchange for the Liberator - is the next best thing Avon can think of. Minority opinion of one, I know :-) Marian

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Baycon
by Julia Jones 09 May '01

09 May '01

So who's going to Baycon? I'm contemplating going, since it's an hour away on the light rail and I won't have to spend money on a hotel. This panel on Saturday looks interesting <grin> My Characters are doing WHAT?!? Fan fic and the suspension of disbelief within a fantasy world. John O'Halloran, ElizaBeth Gilligan, Brad Templeton, Brenda Clough -- Julia Jones

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Re: [B7L] Gan's woman
by Marian de Haan 09 May '01

09 May '01

Jenny wrote: >>And the fact that he doesn't give her name, or even say "my wife" or "my lover", but "my woman". Creepy.<< I always assumed it to be the accepted expression in the Federation, as Shrinker uses it too when talking about Anna Grant to Avon ("I never saw your woman!") Harriere wrote: >Not necessarily - I quite like those languages where "my man" and "my husband" are expressed by the same words.< That is the case in Dutch, likewise the word for "woman" also means "wife". That's probably why the use of it doesn't sound strange to me. >But in this case, I assume that they weren't married, and then you get into the tired old what-do-you-call-them thing. I remember round about the time of B7 someone listing possible options in a letter to a newspaper, and rejecting "my lover" as unnecessarily dramatic - and Gan is rather understated. "My partner" might leave the audience wondering whether the trooper was sabotaging their small business. "My girlfriend" would just about do, but might imply the relationship was a little more casual than I imagine it to be. "My significant other" would sound absurdly comic. "My common-law wife" would be a bit technical.< "My concubine" wouldn't have been suitable for the time-slot :-) Marian

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Fw: [B7L] Avon needs blake...
by Guy Kendall 09 May '01

09 May '01

Nathan wrote: > > Remember Avon too isn't entirely sure the whole thing isn't genuine. I forget the exact dialogue between himself and servalan, but it runs along the lines of him recognising that it could quite possibly be a trap, but after having Zen analyse the recordings of Blakes voice the message could be genuine and therefore worth a look. > now he doesn't want to jeapordise the Liberator in the first instance, so he makes it his risk. If he advises the crew to bugger off once he's on planet, the Liberator is safe theoretically. Either way there's a gamble involved. > > What's confusing is what motivates him. The short answer can only be he needs Blake. He proves it again in the Blake episode. A figure head, a rabble rouser and a good one. Blakes charisma outweighs Avon's when it comes to pure leadership. Which is ironic in the end, because it shows a turn in Avon's character incongruent with the previous Blake - Avon relationship. > > He rids himself of Blake, through circumstances and finally gets what he wants. yet when the oportunity finally arrives he makes a conscious an overtly determined effort to reacquire the very person he was the least fond of. Avon needs Blake - badly. > > sorry to all the avon fans out there, I love the character too, but it's interesting don't you think. I like the way this series allows for "characters" to be so pivotal in it's logical/illogical continuence. Their individual selfishness and idiosyncracies amusing us, surprising us, confusing us and annoying us. Brilliant, just plain brilliant. well, with the odd episodal exception! > I couldn't agree more. [By the way, I am a big Avon fan and a bit anti-Blake.] What still troubles me is why Avon needs Blake. Various reasons have been suggested, but I don't really find any of them very convincing. Sure, I agree that if Avon wants to beat up the Federation, then he does need Blake. But does he really want to do this ? And if so, why ?

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Terminal
by Ellynne G. 09 May '01

09 May '01

OK, I'm having a little trouble getting my computer to transfer Read e-mail into Send e-mail (this is what I get for using the computer I found in the bottom of a box of Cracker Jacks), so, please, pardon the lack of previous statements. I should have this fixed soon. As a biological experiment to predict human evolution, Terminal is either worthless or dealing with something undisclosed (maybe past nuclear wars have damaged a lot of DNA on Earth and it is only aggressive controls we never hear about that keep the damage results in check [unlikely, but it's all I could think of]). Evolution should be better referred to as adaptive mutation. Specific mutation can only be predicted in a limited way (as with cancer and knowing that a person has cells that are prone to that malformation). But, remember, wolves and deer are supposed to share a common ancestor. Long term trends are hard to predict. Given certain factors, certain trends seem _likely_ - but that doesn't make them inevitable (sea turtles have been around since the dinosaurs but still lay eggs on land. Whales, relative new comers, give birth at sea). Terminal was useless precisely because of the variables introduced to make the experiment work. 1) The process was sped up. I assume this means mutagenic factors were introduced to the environment - rather like having people living in a high radiation zone and taking the results as normal for everyone outside it. If reproduction was effected - quicker growth followed by more rapid reproduction - it's again useless because it's getting rid of essentials - intelligent lifeforms need more time to raise and train offspring, so this scenario favors instinct over intelligence. 2) The environment was changed. Put a tropical creature in an artic environment. Assuming it survives (big if), eventual evolution might give you something like a polar bear or (ahem) a penguin. You can't then go and say "Ah-hah! Ostriches are evolving into penguins!" Take a space faring species with broad avenues for technological development. Trap it on a single world where technological development will always be artificially controlled to keep them from circumventing the experiment (there are probably other altered variables, but those will do). The results aren't comparable. 3) Single solution evolution is balderdash. See reference above to deer and wolves being related. So, what was Terminal? 1) Further evidence of Federation decay. The Federation shows signs of having decayed from a prewar civilization. In some cases, technology has been preserved but underlying principles were either lost or are known only to the groups who control it, like the Clone Masters. There may have been enough ignorance to make enough people in power think Terminal was a good idea for the reasons given. 2) Terminal was for something else. There might be experiments were Terminal conditions could be useful. Example: a sped up life cycle to track specific genetic or biological experiments. Like an SF novel that had deliberately created, fast aging humans to track treatments for a genetic disease that manifested in biological middle age. Then, Terminal was abandoned and the lab rats (probably already altered to links or pretty close) got to struggle on. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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