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Hurt/comfort, a theory
by Helen Krummenacker 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

I was just thinking over the question of, why Hurt/Comfort if not S/M (the most obvious explanation being, apparently wrong) and I think I may have a handle on it-- practitioners tell me if thhis expalnation seems to suit. When we see someone hurting, we generally want to comfort them. It's one of the nicer instincts within human nature. Most of the characters on B7 are walking wounded in one way or another: we know primarily of the emotional wounds of Blake and Avon, and can basically guess at Vila's (he's got 'bullied' written all over him). We see Tarrant Cally and Dayna go through some big traumas. So there is an impulse to 'help them'. Problems involved being, you-the-writer can't do it strictly within canon; the stories where they are traumatized are over and done with. You could potentially write an AU where Avon and Cally hold hands and drink tea post CoA-RoD and develop a bond of trust that enables him to talk to her *before* Terminal... but that is AU. Likewise Blake and Avon having heart-to-heart chat post Voices where the barriers fall. Comfort means trust, and there isn't enough trust on screen, so the solution is to create an original plot. This original fanfic then, must reopen wounds or cause fresh ones: hurt/comfort requires a fresh hurt to motivate the characters. There has to be a new vulnerability. Therefore the writers of Hurt/Comfort aren't interested as much in hurting him as they are in creating a motive for the Comfort. The new Hurt is merely a substitute for the Canonical hurt the writer really wants to comfort. Okay, there is the Beautiful Suffering thing, but as said by afficianadoes, that is based on the dignity and strength he shows on screen. As I have pointed out, this is akin to admiring the courage of Oedipus in pressing to learn a truth he has been told will destroy him in a classic play; the tears of Mary holding Jesus in the statue Pieta; or any art that makes us admire how the human spirit can bear up abainst pain. Admiration of spirit may be translated into desire, but this is a process than sadism.

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The Mark of Kane
by Andy Hopkinson 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

This is in fact from Alan Stevens... The Blake's 7 Audio tape "The Mark of Kane" has now come to the end of its run. The price of colour printing of the cassette in-lays is prohibitively expensive, which means I'm afraid, that this tape will soon no longer be available for sale. The good news is that Judith Proctor does still have around eight copies in stock, and these (autographed by various members of the cast, including Gareth Thomas, Brian Croucher and Peter Miles) will be on sale at Redemption. As for The Avon club, they have two! Of course, all tapes can also be ordered from the above via their respective websites. Would someone please copy this to the Freedom City list. Thanks for all the fish. Alan

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Re: [B7L] More penguins
by Sally Manton 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Joanne, re The Lystian Mascot ... <This time, it's a calendar over a colleague's desk, showing eight of the darn things. Una, Neil, speak severely to the powers that be, will you?> and Una: <There are two on my calendar, with their backs to me. They really are out of control.> Actually, I have a couple of zine with cartoons - can't recall who by - Blake as a sort of Biggles-figure and Avon *as a penguin*. Being less than later in my thinking, I never did guess who the rabbit stoof for ... Could this be where the connection between B7 and large flightless birds actually came from? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Wendy's complaint (was Sally-speak)
by Marian de Haan 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: >And when someone suggests that the episode might not have been written with that intention, they appear to become furious.< In view of the Deliverance debate this sounds rather amusing. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Wendy-speak (was Sally-speak)
by Marian de Haan 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: >I mean, if I'd come on the list and said "I find issues of gender and sexuality in Deliverance, especially with regard to Avon's conduct in Meegat's presence, occasionally questionable," would anyone have responded at all? Whereas Wendy's post, using provocative words like "sexism," got people talking about the wider issues.< I would have responded exactly the same as I responded to Wendy's question, by asking: "In what way?" And maybe you would not have replied with the patronising "Are you kidding?", implying that I must be terribly dim not to see what's so apparent to you. :-) You're right, though - the way in which one says something can be as important as what is actually said. Marian

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Re:Deliverance
by Helen Krummenacker 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

> > I mean, if I'd come on the list and said "I find issues of > > gender and sexuality in Deliverance, especially with regard to Avon's > > conduct in Meegat's presence, occasionally questionable," would anyone have > > responded at all? > > I probably would have found that a *much* better and more interesting > discussion than what we got, actually, but maybe that's just me... > > -- > Betty Ragan Yes, and I would have been inclined to agree with "It's Questionable", rather than some statements that were actually made. It was questionable.

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Re: [B7L] Declaration Of Intent To Continue Being An Idiot
by J MacQueen 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

>From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful(a)powersurfr.com> >I, Penny Dreadful, do hereby vow I was going to suggest we all do something like this, but I was at a loss as to which book we should be holding in our right hands as we, er, solemnly took this oath. Attwood's Programme Guide? I don't want to think of two of the alternatives, especially as one isn't generally recommended... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Another new zine at Redemption
by Blenkarn 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Parodies Lost: a Collection of Blake's Seven Parodies Stories, poems and much else in the style of different writers and writing genres. Written by Chris Blenkarn A4: 144 pages +intro: spiral bound £7.90 "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a young man in possession of a fine spacecraft must be in want of female companionship." (Jane Austen: "Exbar and Barbarity.") Your chance to read hitherto unknown gems by Woody Allen, Raymond Chandler, Enid Blyton, Garrison Keillor, Lewis Carroll, Georgette Heyer and many other writers. Enjoy a weekend break at The Incarceration Experience on Cygnus Alpha, experience the full horror of intergalactic travel as it carries on the grand tradition of the British Rail network, find out how to mix a Pink Asteroid - the cocktail of choice for the female gorilla (sorry, guerrilla). Order a Travis alarm clock or one of Avon's many other gadgets, book a ticket for "No Sex Please, We're Andromedans," see how Avon and Anna make out as management consultants, read Shakespeare on Orbit - well, everyone else has had a go, so why not him? Spend an evening in the forest with the Delta Sons of Toil, hear how Blake gets on under New Labour, learn what became of Jarriere, discover Servalan's secret passion, meet Mr.and Mrs. Istance is Useless and their Welsh nephew Rhys, not forgetting their friends, Mr and Mrs Icide Mission and their daughter Sue......... "Avon nearly lost his grip When he ordered the Pharos trip The end was not what he's imagined He should've had his head examined." (Roger McGough: "Headhunter Poems")

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Re: fandom
by Harriet Monkhouse 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Stephen wrote: >(And supporting Man Utd is, frankly, a bit sad). Oi! Why do people think I should drop a lifetime's loyalty to my local team just because they start *winning*? A *lot*? Jarriet

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Slash and Eng Lit [was Re: [B7L] Sally-speak]
by Harriet Monkhouse 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Shane wrote: >...big difference between fan slash and Eng. Lit. in *my* opinion... Don't get me started on Julius Caesar. Harriere

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