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Declaration Of Intent To Continue Being An Idiot
by Caveatemptor1＠aol.com 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

> I, Penny Dreadful, do hereby vow to continue to post smartass remarks, > sexual innuendo, references to food and clothing, comments about character, > in-universe rationalizations, obscure in-jokes, sickmaking cuteness, > flippancy, irreverence, irrelevance, tastelessness, and/or whatever > subjectively stupid thought happens to flit through my subjectively shallow > little mind, and moreover to continue appending them to whatever thread I > deem appropriate. Oh, what a relief!! I was beginning to worry I was going to have to give up my AVON LUST and actually have to start thinking. Bless you, Penny, for showing me the way back to what's really important. Avon's smile, Avon's eyes, Avon in tight red leather (oh, dear...is that a phallic symbol?)

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Re: [B7L] Declaration Of Intent To Continue Being An Idiot
by Sally Manton 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Penny, I love this. Please don't *ever* change. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: pain in life & fiction
by Helen Krummenacker 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

> In real life, I can't handle seeing > someone else in pain. I sometimes get actual, physical, sympathy pains > when other people hurt, and it's not pleasant. I even experience this in fiction, especially when writing it. I was working on a story where a character got struck in the jaw so hard it broke her tooth-- and had a jaw ache the whole morning. I've suffered limps from a character spraining an ankle. (I'm not crazy-- I have fibromyalgia, and muscle tensions cause me pain. I imagine the impact, tense, and there I am) Maybe that is why I appreciate heroes who can bear physical hurt with courage? It's nice to have a good example of how to bear up, even if from time to time I exacerbate myself through having too good an imagination. > IMO > the difference between liking something in fiction or fantasy and liking > it (or even condoning it) in reality is a large and important one. True! I actually enjoy watching some of Servalan's murders, but IRL, I'd be horrified.

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Re: fandom
by Susan.Moore＠uni.edu 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Leah wrote: > Look before you leap. Not only is the unlikely category of soap opera fandom > enormous, but if you check online, you'll find that very extensive amounts of > fanfic are being written about them. As an example, just type in "fan > fiction" in your favorite search engine and see what comes up, particularly > if you put in such particulars as GENERAL HOSPITAL or other popular daytime > shows, or the names of some of the major characters. I would have thought > like you--that an ongoing, long-term soap opera that unfolds daily would have > no room for fanfic. I was very wrong. I would imagine that those who write soap opera fan fiction try to do what we're trying to do (whatever that may be). There are characters that get dropped from the show that have followings, there are inconsistencies that my colleagues who tape the shows discuss at coffee break, there are characters that were played first by one actor and then another (semi-ObB7). Sound familiar? Susan M.

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Re. fandom
by Isobel Hamilton 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Helen wrote: >I like Spike, especially as a reluctant hero, but I've mentioned that > >before on list only to be told he hasn't really changed, it's just the > >V-chip. I agree, the relucant hero was a interesting plot move, but the writers didn't seem to explore the demon-killing potential, instead choosing to bring up the whole Spike/Buffy how-to-split-your-fanbase storyline. Maybe it's still to come.. As for Spike being 'the Avon of Buffydom', I'd never considered that, but it is strangely accurate! I definitely have a subconscious leaning towards similar characters.... I would discuss all this Buffy stuff more but the moderator has spoken, so I'll shut up now :o) Isobel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: fandom
by Betty Ragan 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

Tavia wrote: > My usual retort to those who classify fandom with trainspotting (ie > most of my acquaintance) is that nearly everyone watches television > (some fans less than average), non-fans are content to sit and > watch, while fans try to participate in social and/or creative > ways. IIRC, Jenkins had a hypothesis about that. Something along the lines of ordinary people wanting to define their own passive consumption of television (something like five hours a day for the average American, I think!) as "normal," even though most people have the feeling, deep down, that there may well be something vaguely wrong with staring passively at the tube like that for large chunks of time. But if you can point to someone whose TV-watching behavior is really unsual, it can make your own habits seem "normal" by comparison, and therefore, somehow, OK. "Yeah, sure, I watch a lot of TV, but at least I'm not like *those* people! They're obsessive!" (I may be slightly mischaracterizing Jenkins' argument, there... I don't remember it terribly well, and I don't have the book here with me to check. But I've certainly seen variants of that kind of reasoning first-hand, occasionally in some rather amusing contexts.) -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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Re: Richard III [was Re: [B7L] Mary Sues]
by J MacQueen 21 Feb '01

21 Feb '01

>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> >very Avonian. Sounds like the portrait of Edward IV on an old supplement for something or the other that I was looking at last night (trying to rid myself of "junk", not that it worked very well). With the hairstyle in this picture (not the usual one, by the way), he was practically a dead-ringer for a particular Maylin of Karfel. By contrast, Richard III bore some resemblance to Travis I, and Edward V could've been the offspring of Vila and Soolin. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 2:50:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, una(a)q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: << I guess that's going to be a problem with any book that's going to have both an academic audience and an audience from its subject matter.<< Nah. Just this one. Since (apart from Camille Bacon-Smith) it's the *only* book "about" fans ever professionally published, citing it as an overall authoritative source is going to bring up a bit of skepticism. When it was first published, Jenkins' work was received with a somewhat bemused attitude on the part of media fandom in general. He wasn't discounted nor his work mistrusted. He was simply one opinion, with a self-implied expertise on the subject. To collect material for his thesis, he stalked among us like a sort of Marlin Perkins, observing and taking notes. You can watch a wombat and learn a great deal. But it ain't the same as *being* a wombat. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 5:09:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << And like many such books, read like a thesis that wasn't really long enough for a proper book so needed a bit of padding to bring it up to length. >> That would be because it *was* his thesis... or perhaps his doctorate work. It's been so long ago that I don't remember. I do remember that we had some of the chapters before they were published directly from him. I don't remember *why* we had them, though. Maybe Leah remembers, because she was the one who corresponded with him directly. Annie

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sally-speak (was: Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Cheryl wrote: <I have to ask though, as I've never been quite sure, does the term 'My Darling' refer strictly to Avon or does it apply to Blake as well?> <gurgle> yes, I can see it might be confusing. At the risk of reinforcing my character-junkie status and losing Neil's chockie-bribery, a short list of phrases people probably wish I'd forget ... My Darling (singular) - Avon. He is *slightly* ahead of Blake in my affections, though I adore them both. Don't worry, there *will* be plenty of nice, wallowy Avon-threads for you to enjoy (and Other people to groan about). My Darlings (plural) - Avon and Blake. The main raison d'etre for Blake's 7, yes, all four seasons and fifty-two shows :-) though Vilakins is nice to have around as well. My Favourite Autocrat aka Fearless Leader - Blake (who, for a sincere-at-heart democrat, if *very good* at getting his own way and *very bad* at taking orders from anyone at all, even at gunpoint). My Favourite Gnome - Jarriere. Our Heroes - the entire crew, yes even the ones I don't like. Doing The Right Thing - Something that always makes Avon's temper get decidedly worse. Suffering Beautifully - Avon's major reason for being. IMO - I am about to write something that will annoy someone. IMHO - I am about to write something that will *really* annoy someone. IHMO*only* - I am about to write something about Tarrant. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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