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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/19/01 2:58:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, avona(a)jps.net writes: << Reason 5 mundanes don't get into fandom-- when you describe anything we do, it tends to sound extremely pathetic. It's knowing the fans that makes it all worth while. >> About as pathetic as grown men and women wandering around hitting a tiny ball with a stick (golf) or chasing a slightly bigger ball around a concrete "court" (tennis) or rolling a great big heavy ball down a wooden corridor (bowling) or chasing a little ball up and down a field (football). Just about *any* hobby can sound pathetic to those who aren't interested in it. Some people like to catalog insects (B7 reference! <g>) and others like to catalog things in their favorite tv show. Where's the difference? Annie

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Re: What makes a fannish show? (was Re: [B7L] fannishness)
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

After I wrote: <Has anyone else seen a little Danish show called 'The Kingdom'?> Calle answered: <Original title "Riget", yes?> Could be - definitely Ernst-Hugo Järegård was the lead and yes, he'd made a great B7 guest (even better Kayn than Kayn). It was odd - the show seriously squicked me at least once every twenty minutes and yet I just couldn't stop watching ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: What makes a fannish show? (was Re: [B7L] fannishness)
by J MacQueen 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> >Actually, reading those 9 points makes me think of two central characters I >mentioned above - Jack Frost and Inspector Morse. Two central characters >who have not generated anything like a prominent fandom, nor indeed any >active fandom at all that I know of (my mother is an avid watcher - and >reader - of both, and can't imagine anyone wanting to write their own Frost >fic or Morse fic. Give them time, Neil. I can't imagine Dalziel and Pascoe fanfic either, but they've run out of Reginald Hill books to dramatise, and if that state continues and "divorces" the characters from their print originals, you might see such things. Morse fic, seeing as his creator has killed him off, might be less likely, but a B7 fan isn't going to see problems with fans of other shows writing about "untelevised" or alternate stuff, is he/she? Had I the words this morning, I'd mention those ETV shows that have cast sizes that are a bit too large to be able to say with certainty that here is a lead character, let alone a lead character that fits all or most of Susan's list. But the office is in chaos this morning, due to reorganisation of seating arrangements, and I'm a bit too distracted. Regards Joanne (who bought those issues of ETV that were available, and wondered where the magazine had disappeared to...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 12:30:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, calle(a)lysator.liu.se writes: << >>>>> "Ashton7" == Ashton7 <Ashton7(a)aol.com> writes: > I'm starting to find the constant references to Jenkins' > book...well, strange. When it first appeared in fandom, yea many > years ago now, it was regarded as somewhat of a joke in most fannish > circles Why? I found it quite good when I read it. Not perfect, of course, but there seemed to be a lot of good thinking in it. >> I didn't say it wasn't "good". I said it was joked about. So was Camille Bacon-Smith's book, Enterprising Women. I'm only finding the quotes from Jenkins' book odd because it sounds like he's being given the weight of a Joseph Campbell... which he ain't. Annie

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Re: What makes a fannish show? (was Re: [B7L] fannishness)
by Penny Dreadful 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

(whoops, sent this to "blake7@ etc. (no "s") for some reason) At 02:27 PM 2/17/01 -0500, Susan Beth wrote: >I >don't think I've heard of a game show based fandom, but it wouldn't >surprise me to learn there was one or two out there. "Iron Chef" is classified as a game show by TV Guide, and definitely has what I would call a "fandom" (celebrity stalking, drinking games, eternal flamewars...), including fan-fiction (including a B7 crossover by myself, ObB7 ;-p). -- "These must be T.V. potatoes." --The Inn Chef

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/19/01 11:36:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, j_macqueen(a)hotmail.com writes: << From: Ashton7(a)aol.com >Henry was/is a nice guy. But, he's just a guy with an opinion, ya know, <Zaphod Beeblebrox's psychiatrist> Henry's just zis guy, you know? </Zaphod Beeblebrox's psychiatrist> >> LOL. Got me. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Was it something I said :-)
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Neil wrote: <Well, you should have made the most of your chances a year ago, when I was offering free hugs to anyone who asked.> Perhaps I'm shy. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Patriarchy (Was: Deliverance)
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/16/01 6:17:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << Quite a few episodes featured male guests but no female ones. Prize winners here are Harvest of Kairos and Traitor, each having eight speaking male guest parts and no female ones at all. >> Interesting research on B7's stats. I'd like one further refinement; a count of B7 episodes where a female character was the focal point of the plot. I actually think the dearth of females on B7 overall comes from an earlier BBC production belief that Science Fiction shows are primarily of interest to young male viewers, and that the girls don't go for that sort of thing. So more male characters were present for the viewers to identify with. Nowadays, with the frantic pandering to the adolescent/teen-age male demographic, many producers can't put enough 'babes', butt-kicking or otherwise, in the forefront. This demographic has proven to have the least sales resistance, so advertisers are clamoring for more vehicles to hawk their products on directed toward this demographic. At least, that's what's going on in the US. Leah

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Dana: <You're on record about Cally though.> and Neil: <Not a central character, not even a second lead. Now you're moving your own goalposts. Stop it - that's my tactic.> I think it's a fair one, though. There's the Tarrant Nostra - would their members go on record as having an interest in 'Interesting and/or attractive protagonists', even though Toothy is neither central nor second lead? (well, not IMHO - for 3rd/4th season, Vila is). Then there's the Servie fans ... Is there anyone out there who *does* watch B7 or another show at least partly (and large-part, please) for one of the minor characters, with little interest in the majors? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/19/01 6:16:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, bragan(a)aoc.nrao.edu writes: << IIRC, Jenkins had a hypothesis about that. >> I'm starting to find the constant references to Jenkins' book...well, strange. When it first appeared in fandom, yea many years ago now, it was regarded as somewhat of a joke in most fannish circles, if I'm remembering correctly. It certainly wasn't something that B7 fans (or any fans) took as some sort of fannish "bible." Many of us were interviewed for the book (I think Leah and I are in there... I know that Leah's artwork is in there). Henry was/is a nice guy. But, he's just a guy with an opinion, ya know, like the rest of us. I believe that, at the time, he was doing his thesis. I've seen other fans do the same thing as a way to combine their love of fandom with their scholarly career. Right now, I know several people who teach film history in schools and/or universities who like to use their favorite shows (like Alias Smith & Jones, as one example I know about) as classwork! Annie

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