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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/16/01 3:30:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, ragan(a)sdc.org writes: << I don't think it's so much that fans write about stuff they feel is "mishandled" (although I think there is at least in some fanfic an element of "No, here's how *I* would have done it!"). I think it's more that there are a lot of gaps left unexplored in the show, a lot of possibilities that were hinted at but not a whole lot was done with, a lot of interesting stuff that was never fully developed. So you want to leap in and fill in the gaps. I think that's the sort of think Jenkins was talking about, too. >> I'm sure it was, and it's safe to say that fanfic has *always* been about doing what the producers couldn't or wouldn't do because of limitations of budget, creativity, availability of cast, limits on time and limits of censorship. But I was responding to the contention that part of the reason we become fannish is because of a tension between that which was great and that which was lousy about a show. I simply opined that the truly lousy (not the unfinished, or unsatisfying) is ignored as a sort of general fannish suspension of attention (instead of disbelief). Leah

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Marian de Haan 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >OTOH, B7 is the *only* series I have ever got fannish about, < The same here. I like a lot of series, but none of their characters have the fascination for me that the B7 characters have. I think it's not only because they are so well written, life-like with flaws as well as virtues, but also because B7 has so *many* interesting characters. Marian

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Mac4781＠aol.com 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Leah wrote: > Nah. I just think viewers who come to love a show choose to ignore the stuff > they don't like about it. You mean we're not going to have a Bizarro story where the kitchen fleet is replaced by invading lawn mowers? ;-) As an aside to this thread, I'd like to thank the many fanfic writers who have given me so much pleasure over the years. Your stories gripped my emotions. I reread favorite fanfic far more often than I reread great works of literature. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by B7Morrigan＠aol.com 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

> Leah wrote: > > Fans don't write fanfic about characters and plot elements they feel were > 'mishandled'. You seldom see much of that. Again, I feel it's simply > ignored. Some do. I certainly write Cally a lot differently than she evolved in parts of S2 and S3, emphasizing her strengths. I also respectfully point out that the Avon-Blake dynamic is often portrayed quite differently than what one sees in canon. Whether or not the writer did so deliberately is another question. Morrigan "Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered to kill your friends while committing suicide."

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Sally Manton 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Neil wrote to Betty: <Because I agree with just about everything you say in that character, so either you're not really a CJ after all, or <shudder> maybe I am...> It gets worse, Neil ... far worse. *I* agree with Betty as well. Actually <grin> I was almost inspired to have a go at that little Vila/Blake scribble meself, but when I got to Vila saying "Look, if he does think he has to kill himself, who am I to argue? Gave up arguing with him long ago, doesn't do any good. Anyway, what I want to say is, he's going to kill himself, you don't care - and why should you, not your problem any more, not mine either - but if he does, shouldn't I get his share of Orac?" Then decided not ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Vanilla Lice
by Dana Shilling 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Perhaps one of the ways Tarrant filled in his time between deserting and boarding the Liberator was by performing as rapper Tuff-T.... -(Y)

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Fanfic -- a slightly different question
by Tavia Chalcraft 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Someone (Neil?) raised the question of description in fanfic. Do people prefer people and backgrounds to be described, and in how much detail? How overt does this have to be before it gets annoying? Does anyone have any useful hints? Tavia

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Harriet Monkhouse 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Days ago, Tavia said: >I think the text equivalent would be 'Well, hurrah for > us,' said Avon, heavy sarcasm evident in his tone. Ah, Trevor Hoyle speak. Harriet

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Re: fanfic
by Helen Krummenacker 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Neil quoted from news: > A police spokesman said the battle began when the bandit > gang, disguised as policemen, challenged a group of policemen disguised as > bandits." This in itself shows the value of research. If that tidbit doesn't inspire some piece of fanfic right their I'll be highly surprised.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fanfic; my zine, plus replies to comments on style
by Natasa Tucev 15 Feb '01

15 Feb '01

Neil wrote: >I'd say that the narrative voice >(1st person or 3rd person) is more important in deciding what can be shown >(or told, for that matter) and how. Within the two options you've mentioned, there are many possibilities and each of them has its advantages and disatvantages. There's a know-all narrator, who gives us insight into the mind of everyone of his characters, and who is also aware of things inaccessible to any of the characters ('Little did they know, as they made their way towards the Federation complex Blake wanted to blow up, that a giant woodlouse was lurking behind a polystyrene rock.') Or, a writer can use 3rd person narrative voice but still reveal only one POV, as in the scene Harriet's posted. 1st person voice may vary in its distance from the narrative it's rehearsing. The person speaking may be in the centre of action, as Cally in your story 'Kriegspielen', or someone who more or less just observes the events, like the boy in Judith's 'Shane'. Temporal distance may also vary, i.e., the story may be told by a character who has no more knowledge than the readers about what's going to happen next, or by someone who recalls the events from the past and is aware of the 'whole picture' ('I still don't understand why, of all the people in the holding cell, I chose to rob him... and now I'm going to tell you about all the trouble this got me into.') Hemingway is, as far as I know, the creator of the 'eye of the camera' narrative voice, which gives us no insight at all in the characters' stream of consciousness. The narrator has just ordered a drink in a pub and Avon and Blake are sitting somewhere close to him. He knows nothing about their background stories, their emotions or their relationship - all he knows is what he sees and hears during this short period they're sitting there: fragmented sentences, the way they drink or the looks they exchange, an internal joke he may not understand, gestures or facial expressions. Everything else is left to the reader to interpret or construct by himself. There may be more possibilities, but presently I can't recall them. N.

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