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If anyone has purchased copies...
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

...of any Ashton Press or Bizarro Zines from Mysti Frank (Agents With Style) in the past four months or so, please contact me as soon as possible. She has no authorization to sell any of our fanzines, either via mail order or at a convention table. She supposedly returned all of her remaining stock of our zines a few months back, and despite the contents listed on her website, she isn't supposed to have any of them left. Thanks!

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Warlord
by Nathan Hook 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

I believe its called Love. Tarrant was besotted with ziona, they'd barely formed a relationship and it was all animal magnetism stuff. always dangerous stuff from my experience anyway. Love does crazy things to people and both of them were taking risks. Ziona shouldn't have been there, she knew her father wouldn't approve. tarrant was putting the whole alliance in jeapordy, because he wanted Ziona more than anything. When you're in love and you're young, you don't think too deeply about consequences or whats going on around you. Zukan was very displeased and only his respect for Avon, as he put it, kept things from being an inter-galactic incident. remember Dana on Moloch questioning tarrants plan for getting to the surface. She wondered if it wasn't a little precipitous. avon replied, 'Tarrant is always precipitous, in case you hadn't noticed.' >Similar to Blakes idealism...it didn't give him time to think. however, blake was far more measured in his thinking than tarrant and was better at justifying his behaviour, rational or otherwise. >It would only be natural for the older men to be wiser and therefore appear paternal. Given that tarrant was making a fool of himself, it wouldn't have been difficult to look wiser. but look who took charge in the crisis. it was tarrant on the base, but avon had overall command at crunch time and when it mattered. Vila got pissed, but that wasn't untypical for his character. >the superior intellect won out. also these men had greater experience with women on paper. we saw avon's approach to things. "i've never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care, or indeed why it should be necessary to prove it at all." He killed anna grant, despite his obvious affection for her...it was prudent to do so, he didn't let his guard down. Tarrant showed signs of irrationality and that desire to prove it. >Or, Avon again... "sentiment breeds weakness, let it get a hold of you and you are dead". In anna's case again, it would have proved fatal for him. >Also, the way he dealt with Servalan and Pella. They both ended up on the floor. in each case he was looking out for number one, he wasn't letting sentiment get in his way. As servalan said, you'd never let conscience get in your way. you over estimate me he replied. >Tarrant fell for Servalans gambit to gain his sympathy on Sand. He recongised her as being venomous, but in a nervous situation...what the heck. he felt sympathy for her too, after returning to the ship, he wasn't about to let Avon know, but it was written all over his face. Avon remarked coolley, how it was ironic that tarrant was the last person to see her alive. This bugged tarrant, he;d seen her in a different light and yet avon dismissed his romantic interlude with her with a flippant remark. >On Gold, Tarrant said, 'c'mon Avon. Servalan isn't just some greedy gangster.' >'surely that is exactly what she is.' avon replied. >okay tarrant wasn't suggesting in a romantic sense, but it's interesting the different perspectives, reality and cynical. Blake would have seen her as a greedy gangsta too in this instance. > >Even Vila let Kerril go. he couldn't follow her, but he wanted her to join him on the liberator. the greater bond was with the group, not the uncertainty away from it and a new life where he couldn't steal things. this was despite the attraction to her. Vila was depressed after returning to the liberator, he was wondering if he hadn't made a mistake. tarrant asked, 'whats the matter with him?' >dana said, 'if I thought that was serious question, i'd be very worried about you.' it showed Tarrants inexperience with matters of the heart, which as we know, are extremely problematic. :)It shows tarrants poor ability to read people as well. Much was made of his assessment of the friendly natives on the planet smae episode. tarrant didn't realise he'd frightened Vila by threatening him either. > vila was quick to rationalise his relationship with kerril though. it may have hurt, but he washed humour over the error with, 'i hope they've all got great legs.' it wasn't the end of the world. > For tarrant & Ziona however it was different. his attachement was seemingly far greater. More enmeshed. It wasn't grounded in substance, because they'd only just met. It was lust and...fairy tale stuff. > >Ziona was the obvious choice. she wasn't a useful acquisition to the group, she was an outsider with inconspicous talents, aside form being attractive. The second natural choice was tarrant himself. vila was irritating, but useful remember. Ziona knew how to use the equipment as well. >So Tarrant showed signs of irrationality, his judgment was clouded by his passion for Ziona and it all comes down to love - blind love. well thats my opinion anyway. >Nayte. "That all-softening, overpowering knell,/ The tocsin of the soul - the dinner bell." Byron. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free, BeOS-friendly email accounts: http://BeMail.org/ love and pixels .:. http://dieselsweeties.com/

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: <By making him look like a bastard for kicking her in the teeth any time she bows down?> Eeep ... he only sort of does that once, and it's more jumping back in sheer embarrassment. I mean, how would *you* react if it were you :-) (and someone like Vilkins was looking on)? For the most part, he treats her rather nicely, but as a sweet, idiot child. For My Darling, this is actually rather good, remember ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by J MacQueen 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

>From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia(a)btinternet.com> >On nth thoughts on this rocket metaphory thingy, I'm coming to the view >that to consider a rocket to be a phallic symbol is simply sexist of >itself... <hands Tavia red toreador's cape and runs away> Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Neil wrote: <Costume designer for this episode was apparently ... Rupert Jarvis (a man). Well, well, well. We can only speculate on how different a Barbara Lane/June Hudson design might have been.> Umm, let's think. 2nd season ... cockroach capes, lobster tops and Servie's lizard dress. What animal/insect imagery could we *really* play games with here :-)? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Warlord
by M 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Just watched Warlord again, does anyone else think Tarrant acts more like a teenager with Avon the guardian/ adult figure, at the end. OK his beloved is dead, but he's almost crying, running as though having a tantrum and lastly wasnt it a little obvious. She must go down, it's her job. Doh!!! It's just he's supposed to be a hardened space 'privateer', rebel, going around the galaxy. He's supposed to have a hardened an edge, understand the realities. Yet he seems a little niave and it's not just this episode. Maybe some-one can help me out with the episodes, but apart from Avon becoming boss-man, he also seeems to become the paternal figure with Vila the friendly uncle!!?? M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

I know, I *know*, I know I said I wouldn't, but ... Wendy said: <If we've already agreed that the rocket is a metaphor, than the children thing can be a metaphor too, can't it?> Sorry and all that, but no one *has* agreed with the rocket-metaphor, have they? And no, IMHO, the children can't. It's just stock footage; they're just a plot device, like the ones in Time Squad. and in answer to Neil's : <I think it's clear by now that the subliminal message of the text is so subliminal that most people haven't even noticed it before ...> <but why *is* it that people miss out on this subliminal message?> Well, if something's so faint one can barely see it with a microscope, one tends not to notice it when simply gazing at a TV screen ... But, as I hope I've made clear, I *do* see the sexist message, I just see it as skewed and turned into something rather richer and stranger by the actual characters involved, especially Avon. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Mistral wrote: <A rocket does not _equal_ a phallus. Symbols can sometimes illustrate reality; they do not ever define it.> <gurgle> actually, I've been reminded of the American professor we saw on the TV years ago who passionately insisted that the telephone *white* pages were sexist because they were *deliberately* white ... To rewrite an old saying' "never ascribe to malice what can be perfectly well explained by stupidity", one shouldn't (IMHO) ascribe authorial or producorial design to what can be explained by the basic realities of 1970s series production. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance - sorry, 'tis early in the morning ...
by Sally Manton 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

Not quite five, actually. The "American professor we saw on the TV years ago who passionately insisted that the telephone *white* pages were sexist because they were *deliberately* white ..." ... actually insisted they were *racist*, of course. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Penberriss Wendy S. 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

--- Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> wrote: > From: Penberriss Wendy S. <penberriss(a)yahoo.com> > > > > Recently I have watched the episode Deliverance > and > > was surprised to see how sexist it was! Worse than > > Power, even! What do other people think? > > I think the difference between the two is that > Deliverance, whilst betraying > the sexist mindset of its author, is not actively > promoting a misogynistic > agenda, whereas Power is. No, sorry Neil but Deliverance is far more misogynistic than Power. In Deliverance Meegat is totally subservient to Lord Avon. She's incapable of launching the rocket herself and requires a man to do it. The rocket is nothing more than a crude metaphor and once the gene bank is launched Avon leaves her, to die presumably. See also my answer to Marion. Wendy __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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