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Re: [B7L] Groundhog Day
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Pred wrote: <I rather like the idea, but I fear we will end up with nineteen rewrites of _Blake_ (including the obligatory 'gotcha!' one from Bryn where Avon makes an effort and doesn't kill Blake on Gauda Prime sixteen times but Blake gets killed off in the last line anyway) and one attempt at romantic comedy which is equally made up of witty dialogue and sheer filth.> And one from Una and Steve where they re-live Animals over and over and over until *everyone* finds ten good things to say about it ... (PS - Una - did I get my Animals webpage, BTW?) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] filk
by Angria＠t-online.de 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Mistral wrote: > Thank you for the filk, Tanja, it's just wonderful. > <blushes> Thank you. But then, most gratitude (or blame) is due to Judith who wrote the original. You know, I never filked something before... Tanja

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Marian de Haan 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: >Anyway, even if it is hers, it obviously takes a man to push the right buttons.< No, it takes a *technician* to launch the rocket. With 50 % chance of the first technician to drop by being a man, I see no prejudice here. >If we've already agreed that the rocket is a metaphor, than the children thing can be a metaphor too, can't it?< Sorry, but I honestly can't see any evidence that the rocket was meant as a metaphor. [To me most Freudian metaphors seem bollocks anyway. :-)] It seems to me you want to read much more in the story than the writer put into it. That is not uncommon. [It happened to me. :-) I was rather taken aback by the deep thoughts and symbolisms that some readers found in my two published Medieval murder mysteries . They'd been written as simple entertainment but that didn't stop some people reading all kind of things in them that were definitely not in my mind when I wrote them. It's flattering, but also a bit scary.] > Just as he doesn't *actually* have sex with her, he perpetuates her race in some other way, so he doesn't have to *actually* get her pregnant for the equation of male action --> female perpetuation of species to read.< Sorry, this goes right over my head. >She waits, virginal, dressed in diaphanous robes, for this bloke to come along and fulfil her. What part of this *isn't* a sexual metaphor?< You mean a writer can't do a story about a man helping a woman in need without the risk of being accused of sexism? You scare me. >why *is* it that people miss out on this subliminal message?< Perhaps because for some people it simply isn't there? :-) You clearly feel very strong about it and I respect your opinion. I just can't share it. >Avon's my favourite character, but not because I think he's a nice guy. I think he's a bastard, but he's a very *interesting* bastard.< For me one of his attractions is that, time and again, he so gloriously fails to live up to his own self-image of ruthless bastard. Of which Deliverance is an amusing example IMHO. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Re:Servalan is insane?
by Ellynne G. 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:57:56 -0500 "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> writes: > Helen said: > > > Okay, the Deliverance thread has expanded to misogynism in the > series as > > a whole and the accusation has been thrown that Servalan is > insane. She has some sociopathic tendencies. A sociopath essentially understands right and wrong, it just doesn't matter. However, there's debate (so I understand) about whether they're insane. True sociopaths have been known to act in ways where the profit-loss just doesn't add up (the sociopath who stole the credit cards of his pro bono defense attornies while they were defending him) that suggests a lack of ability to make essential judgements. Anyhow, Servalan's not that far gone. She may have hubris, ego, and overconfidence, but you can follow the math behind her calculations. > This also ties in with the "Was Avon a crimo" question (to which I'd > say the answer has to be "No"--a crimo is a "criminally insane" > person, > the polar case perhaps being Hannibal Lecter. Stealing a lot of > money > doesn't rank as admirable behavior, but it's eminently sane. True enough. However, about the question raised earlier about why crimos weren't made into mutoids, a crimo's advantage over a mutoid is intellect - and genius seems to be one of their two common characteristics (gender, too, but let's not get into that. Having worked with Servalan, maybe Travis felt more secure around male killers). However, it seems likely they've been conditioned in some way or Travis wouldn't be able to make use of them. > > Beer goggles, more like--I'd say that because she finds Avon > attractive, > she overestimates the degree of similarity between them. Eep. I know I've heard this before but never quite phrased that way. Servalan thought Avon was a borderline sociopath with murderous impulses. And she _liked_ him for it. Can I change my vote on the insanity issue? Not that > any > of us would do anything like that. Well, not unless we were _right_. Although I think I have more in common Snow White. (Episode Blake if it had been done by Disney Blake [singing]: I'm wishing Wishing Well Echo: I'm wishing Blake: For the one I loath To find me WWE: To find me Blake: Today WWE: Today Blake: I'm thinking WWE: I'm thinking Blake: When he comes my way Of the snide things WWE: The Snide things Blake: He'll say Avon: Want an apple, dearie?) Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: Deliverance
by Harriet Monkhouse 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

As Sally said, the presence of a certain person would improve most episodes. So may I humbly suggest: "Deliverance" by Harriet Monkhouse [Sound of hairy barbarians yelling and banging rocks. Meegat opens door, and small wiry man with big nose staggers in.] JARRIERE: Ah, er, thank you miss, that was a bit close... MEEGAT: My Lord! Have you come to propagate my race by shooting a phallic symbol into the sky? JARRIERE: Er, I'm not following you... MEEGAT: Can you launch our brood rocket? JARRIERE: Oh, ah, I see, well, rocket science isn't really my thing, but I have a kid sister who's very bright, I'll just call her and see if she can give you any advice... Harriet

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Sally Manton 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: <After a bit of Freudian imagery of Avon firing off a big rocket and fertalising her race, he then leaves her to die of radiation poisoning on Cephlon, having taken away her reason for living!> Now let us be reasonable ... he took away said reason at her RATHER LOUD request (as far as she was concerned, doing so was *his* reason for living IMO). Yes, the plot has decidedly sexist overtones, but I do think what's been done *with* it tends to skew them. Meegat may be totally subservient, but she is also the most in control of her part in the situation - she is totally unembarrassed, almost assured, as distinct from My Darling whose macho sexist role is rather undercut by his own kerflummoxed reactions (a lovely mixture of flattered, embarrassed, and - every time she throws herself at his feet - mildly appalled :-)). And Vila's teasing is aimed straight at *him* (even if somewhat unkind to Meegat, who barely notices Vila's existence anyway). I do love Avon's "let's not start that again" and his answer to Vila's "you're enjoying this, aren't you?" "*Probably*." (he really *isn't* sure ...) The biggest problem *is* the fact that they appear to leave her there alone (a case of Bad Writer Syndrome, of course - I get the feeling the writer meant Meegat to have gone with the brood-rocket, but screwed it up by showing said rocket leaving). But none of the rest - not even Jenna or Cally, nor the anything-but-piggish Gan, nor Fearless Leader (of the infamous Bleeding Heart, remember?) - appear to have had any problems with Meegat being left. The obvious if inadequate inference is that she *chose* not to leave her home. Alternately <g> she *was* on the Liberator being ferried to safety, but Avon's put her in one of the spare cabins during the flight and is keeping her and her penchant for throwing herself at his feet away from Blake's eyes (somehow, I don't think Avon could *stand* to have Blake see it ...). And from Ellynne: <Although, it would have been fun to have Blake being held at gunpoint and Ensor having to negotiate with someone with that attitude.> Ohh, yes ... watching anyone at all try to intimidate Blake would be enormous fun ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Time loop?
by Harriet Monkhouse 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Ellynne wrote: >Finally, he finds out it will keep repeating >until some side issue no one even noticed >is resolved. Since I rather doubt Cupid granted >a Romeo-type's wish to save his Juliet-type from > her 24 hr poison in B7, I'm not sure what it is Aha! "Blake" was really the love story of Deva and Klyn! Harriet

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Re: Groundhog day
by Alison Page 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

>>Pred'x (...strangely interested in reading and/or writing this 'zine...) <gleeful expression> Avon already behaves like someone who has seen it all 1,000 times already. Well, don't we all? Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re: [B7L] Geometry of Shadows/ Redemption
by Stephen Date 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

--- Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064(a)compuserve.com> wrote: > > Now can you explain why the B5 episode about the > Drazi War is called > Geometry of Shadows when there don't appear to be > any Shadows in it? My > only theory is that the Green/Purple system was set > up by the Shadows as > part of their philosophy of strength through > conflict. > > Harriet As I recall, JMS said somewhere that the phrase was supposed to evoke the nature of Technomages - Geometry being the scientific bit of their nature and Shadows being the mystical bit. Bit confusing though when your major bad guys are called Shadows and they don't actually appear. Incidentally, I have always found the title of the episode Redemption a bit odd. No-one gets redeemed in the spiritual/ religious sense. The reference to the episode title "They're taking back what's theirs - redemption" evokes an image of Pawn shops. Is that why Spaceworld has the three balls ? Or why the Liberator has a room full of tacky costume jewellry ? Anyone ? Stephen. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re:Servalan is insane?
by Helen Krummenacker 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Okay, the Deliverance thread has expanded to misogynism in the series as a whole and the accusation has been thrown that Servalan is insane. Insane? Power-hungry, without a doubt; possibly 'pro-noid' (thinks people like her more than they do), but are these things considered insanity by the majority of people? She's very much in touch with reality in most ways, although she does seem to observe Avon through very rose-coloured glasses. Her thought patterns are always coherent to an observer. The only reason I can see to define her as insane is her complete lack of scruples. Is this insanity, or adaptation to a society where the ruthless thrive? At least in the Avon-insanity thread, people can point to actual changes in his overall behavior that indicate the stress of his role is getting to him. I'm not sure we see a Servalan in "Gold" who is any different from the Servalan in "Seek-Locate-Destroy". What do people think? I'm loooking for input on all sides.

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