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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Helen wrote: > > How many jazz singers sing about "my woman" though? > > >Off the top of my heaad, it's right there in the title of "Bess, You Is >My Woman Now". Haven't heard it in context to know precisely how Porgy >means it. But he loved her, right? He did. But remember that the play takes place on Catfish Row, amongst gamblers and drug addicts who spend their time in and out of prison; Porgy himself murders Crown in anger later on. Bess herself is making her living by becoming the mistress of whoever happens to be most powerful; in the end she goes off with Sporting Life after accepting his gift of cocaine. If the scriptwriter is trying to draw a connection between Gan and Porgy, then he's suggesting that Gan is a criminal and a murderer. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Dayna's Family
by Leia Fee 11 May '01

11 May '01

>So, Dayna has a high level of expertise with weapons that, my >understanding is, she would not have mastered without a trainer - renting >the video wouldn't cut it. Hal couldn't be that trainer. It's unlikely >he would know one offworld or could try and find one on another planet. >Sarran is covered with people with at least a fair degree of weapons >knowledge. Ergo, a Sarran trainer seems the most likely to me. Agreed. Sword, spear, bow are not easy to learn. I would guess it is almost impossible to teach yourself. Leia

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Re: [B7L] The End (Was: Re: scripts and other ephemera)
by J MacQueen 11 May '01

11 May '01

>From: Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> >Jenny wrote: >>He's free of him at last. >He's *never* going to be free of him now. <shiver> Yes. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Gan's woman
by Helen Krummenacker 11 May '01

11 May '01

> How many jazz singers sing about "my woman" though? > Off the top of my heaad, it's right there in the title of "Bess, You Is My Woman Now". Haven't heard it in context to know precisely how Porgy means it. But he loved her, right? I also have a line going through my head about "You will be my woman; I will be your man", but I can't remember the title of the song or the singer.

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #406 - 15 msgs
by Helen Krummenacker 11 May '01

11 May '01

> Suppose he'd said, 'a trooper killed Bobby. She meant everything to > me. We > were to be married. When she died, a part of me died as well.' But he > doesn't say that, or anything like it. And the reason he doesn't is > because > the author is trying to tell us something. > > Jenny > Yes, the author is saying, "I'm much better at plotting and writing clever, snappy dialogue than deeply emotional stuff."

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Re: [B7L] Re: FC: SFX card game
by J MacQueen 11 May '01

11 May '01

>From: "Marian de Haan" <maya(a)multiweb.nl> > ><Fashion sense: 5> > >Let me guess. They've seen DeathWatch and Pressure Point.< >In that case he's doing rather well because for *those* costumes I would >have given him 1. Well, that can be 1 for Deathwatch, and possibly 4 for Pressure Point (that'd be the Mummy suit's upper half, presumably - there seem to be few objections to the lower half). That adds up to 5 quite nicely. I'd have added one or two more points, but that's only because I'm partial to one of the series four costumes - not the one with the leather jacket, the other one. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Mellanbys
by Helen Krummenacker 11 May '01

11 May '01

> > >It may be that Hal Mellanby is trusting and confides all to people > he > > >barely knows. > > It might be a good idea if you went back into the archive and reread > the > emails between Tavia, Dana, Harriet, Fiona and myself on the subject > of Hal > Mellanby > I believe Ellynne was putting out the 'trusting' options as *unlikely*. So far, I like her version better than the lying hypocrit version. And none of the arguements about Dayna gleefully killing Sarrans counters the possibility that Lauren was the last survivor of a persecuted group on Sarran. Imagine the last Jews in Nazi Germany manage to escape a concentration camp and find refuge in the homes of some technologically superior aliens living among humans. Imagine they become friends-- the parent dies but the baby girl is raised like a sister to the alien. Might the youngest alien not come to believe the Nazis are so irredeemably evil she considers killing them to be a non-crime? Mind you, the analogy is a poor one, but I believe Ellynne is trying to suggest the possibility of an equivilant thing. And like Ellynne, I find Lauren's murder/execution bizarre without further explanation. "Welcome to your people" means, in Ellynne's theory, they are sending her to join her ancestors; consistant with their actions. If they are merely killing her because she has been 'contaminated' by outsiders, why do they verbally acknowlege her as one of their own?

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Sally Manton 11 May '01

11 May '01

Jenny wrote: <Suppose he'd said, 'a trooper killed Bobby. She meant everything to me. We were to be married. When she died, a part of me died as well.'> If he'd said that, I'd have checked the tape for what show I'd got on 'cause it sure wouldn't be Blake's 7 :-) What Gan says - 'my woman' - is IMO perfectly in tune with the general tone of the language used in the series, especially by people within the federation itself (as apart from neutral worlds like Lindor). It *is* harsher than what we're used to a lot of the time, more reticent and much less effusive. This is very much in keeping with the coldly oppressive, sardine-tin society of the Federation. You don't spill your emotions to people when you've spent your life not knowing who you can trust. Look at Blake in Hostage - "she meant a lot to me once" and that only in response to Jenna's direct question (oh, and BTW, he calls Inga 'the girl' in this scene rather than use her name. Twice.) What the author is IMO trying to tell us is that Gan and the woman weren't married. That *is* the simple explanation, after all ... (Not that I'm at all wedded to the concept *that* the simplest explanation is the best, you understand :-) IMO the best explanation is always the one that adds the most richness and enjoyment to the text while meeting canonical needs. Might be simple, might be wonderfully complicated. But if anyone prefers to always go for simplicity, there's nothing to stop them.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Sally Manton wrote: > >Harriere wrote: > ><When Gan discusses the issue with Jenna, they're acquaintances; maybe he > >might have opened up more later, but at this point he wishes to give her > >only the basic information required.> > > > >They're a reticent crowd, after all. We never hear the names of Blake's > >murdered siblings, Blake is hardly going to say, "Guess what everyone? I was arrested and convicted on paedophile charges. They weren't true of course." Mud sticks. or Avon's brother; neither those relatives nor Jenna's > >mother are ever mentioned again, nor are *any* family/friends of chatterer > >Vila. Cally never mentions her clone sister till they're off to Auron; > >Tarrant never mentions his brother till faced with his image in DeathWatch, > >and the rest of the Tarrant clan is a closed book (which is lovely for > >fanfiction, because we can shoehorn Dev in there somehow). > >None of the Scorpio crew (except possibly Avon) knew Soolin's history on > >Gauda Prime, for all that she'd been with them a year and was friendly with > >Dayna. These people are fictional characters within a fictional universe. Backstory seeds may be sown, but the full back story will only be activated when it is significant to the plot. For example Soolin's history tells us about GP and what we can expect. As a consequence Gan telling us about his "woman" is significant to the episode Time Squad, and Gan's actions in Time Squad are designed to tell us about Gan, or to lay future plot seeds for Gan. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] The End (Was: Re: scripts and other ephemera)
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > >Jenny wrote: > >>He's free of him at last. > > > >He's *never* going to be free of him now. He's free from the idea that Blake betrayed him. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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