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Re: [B7L] penguins
by Sally Manton 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Debbie wrote: <There was an item on the radio today saying that the number one killer of people in zoos is (not surprisingly) lions and tigers, but the number two killer is ... penguins. I had no idea.> The mind doth verily boggle (trying to imagine just *how* so many people get done in by not-*that*-large flightless birds) ... Did it say if anyone was killed by fairy penguins? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gay Subtexts
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Claudia wrote: > I've never > heard of the first episode being omitted. Nor here. I was fortunate enough to be able to pick it up from the Pittsburgh (PA) PBS station and the Akron-Canton (OH) PBS station. THE WAY BACK was not omitted during the various airings I caught. Carol Mc (sending good thoughts to Per)

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Stop the presses. Haste once against makes for error. I need to offer a correction to my post to Fiona: > Those brief answers just might > indicate they don't want to be studied. "brief" should read "brusque" Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Fiona wrote: > I > also, as I said, saw a lot of people who liked h/c launcing into the > discussion with categorical denials ("H/C is NOT S/M! BAD FIONA! BAD NEIL! > NEVER SAY THIS IS SO!") or false analogies (Hamlet? Beautiful suffering? Can > be played that way, but Hamlet can be played *any* way imaginable... bitter > and unlikable... cold and rational... round the twist...). Which has, > actually, made me even *less* kindly disposed to h/c as a genre than before. Perhaps so, but I don't think you are being fair. Perhaps you haven't been involved in other h/c discussions. Fans of h/c aren't just responding to the current thread, they are responding to repeated misinterpretations of the genre. This has all happened many times before. As in someone not into the genre decides to analyze what the genre is about. And the next step in the thread usually has people not into h/c telling h/c fans why they read or write h/c. I would liken it to a non-parent telling me what parenting is all about and why I became a parent. (I have four children.) > And anyway, if it *is* S/M, what of it? I'm given to understand that S/M is > considered an acceptable form of sexual expression these days... that is, if > the erotica shelf in the Oxford Waterstones is anything to go by... I'm a > little surprised that no one has come in to say "Yes, it's S/M, and I *like* > it!" But it's not S/M, as Tavia's well-written post has explained. What I don't understand is why she would have to go into such an in-depth explanation. Why can't those who do participate in the genre say "It's not S/M" and have other fans accept that we know what we're talking about it? I also can't understand why those who don't like h/c care to analyze it. I have no interest in analyzing tech fanfiction or cyberpunk fanfiction or why some fans are drawn to those genres. What about h/c makes non-h/c fans so curious? Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Another new zine at Redemption
by Alison Page 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

>Parodies Lost: a Collection of Blake's Seven Parodies > I bet this is absolutely brilliant, Chris has an awesome talent for parody. My favourite ever by Chris was a John Cooper Clark version of Orbit. Is it in here Chris? I guess JCC is slightly obscure, but I thought it was spot on. I wish you could be persuaded to do a live version at Redemption. Or perhaps we should get one of the Mancunians on the list to do it in the appropriate drawl. 'My mate went a hunting he was norra man to cross I hid in the shuttle he didn't give a toss' You see, I remember it well. Hope you don't mind me quoting it. Alison 'I can't go back to Cygnus And Star One's much too far Wade through slaughter to the throne But not with Vila R'

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Re: [B7L] Domes
by Sally Manton 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Neil wrote: <If we posit an average population density of perhaps 1000 people per square kilometre (possibly a bit low, if anything, especially if you include the vertical dimension), and a dome radius of say 10 km, then we have a dome population of about 350,000.> Have to admit, my mental picture of Dome life is very influenced by scenes from books like 'Mothers and Daughters' by Elena Bonner: 1930s Russia, families being stacked into apartments (the quality and above all size of which are definitely based on rank) with one or two rooms apiece. It's actually very difficult for someone like me, who's lived since childhood in a small Australian city with the quarter-acre blocks and masses of open space to imagine, but these sort of stories do help. <You can pack a lot of people into a small space.> Which brings up the point of how much room people wouls have been allowed. We have (as alwasy) precious little evidence, but it appears that both Blake and Avon at least lived alone, and even in TWB, the rebels who actually speak seem to be lone family members, there's no spouse/sibling with Ravella when she and Blake leave etc. From non-Dome indications, family life in the Federation is often rare or disfunctional (the number of single-parent households). This could have an impact on the way Our Heroes act and speak, those layered, defensive speech patterns and oblique verbal sparring that are such fun to untangle and decipher. If you're packed into 'buildings' with masses of other people, are nevertheless essentially alone, and living in a threatening environment to boot ... you'd learn very fast *not* to say what you actually mean too clearly. JMHO. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Dana wrote: > 1. In my case, I'm a serious fanfic writer so I need to understand > what readers are interested in. That's an unusual approach. Most fan writers write what they like to read as opposed to what other readers like. > 2. Who knows? Maybe if I had a better analysis, I'd like > the form better. I've honestly never seen any fan converted to h/c through discussions of the genre. I'm not saying it couldn't happen. As I said in a post a couple of days ago, if I were interested in converting fans to h/c I'd recommend they read the genre. But I think you've already done that and came up empty. And I believe we've discussed h/c on FC while you were a member. I can't think of anything to add to what has been discussed there. If I come up with anything, I'll post it to FC. I could be wrong, but I think appreciation of h/c almost has to be an instinctual reaction. Though if there is anyone who took to h/c via a more scholarly approach, that might be the best person to advise you. Carol Mc

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re [B7L] Anti-Hijackers Anonymous
by Neil Faulkner 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Now back from Redemption, and Greatly Calmed Down. I have made an off-Lyst pledge to say nothing further on That Topic. Things were getting too heated on both sides and the opposing camps are clearly irreconcilable. Some minds (my own included) are not going to be changed on this one. I also wish to make a public apology to Penny Dreadful for calling her 'infantile' and a 'boorish lout'. These words were not used in haste, they were if anything restrained, which only goes to show how intense the level of feeling had become. But it does the Lyst no favours if people are driven to such counter-productive language, even if driven by sheer frustration. My post was, in retrospect, inexcusable. I do hope Penny has not unsubscribed. It was never, and never will be, my intention to drive her or anyone else off the Lyst, assuming I could ever do so. Neil

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Aphrodite Blues
by Steve Rogerson 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

At Redemption, a few of us where thinking of going to see Jacqueline Pearce in Aphrodite Blues at the New End Theatre in Hampstead, north London in the matinee (3.30pm) on Saturday 10 March followed by a few drinks in Pages Bar. As this is only a week on Saturday, can anyone who wants to come email me by 6pm Wednesday 28 Feb (ie within two days) and I'll buy the tickets and you can pay me on te day? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: slash policy
by Steve Rogerson 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Calle said: "I may ask people to move a thread to Freedom City, if it's about slash, which I know is a subject that upsets some people. This has happened." Er, I thought you were allowed to discuss slash on this list if you wanted. The point of Freedom City is that you can discuss slash without having deal with people who disagree with it. If you don't mind having a row about slash, I thought there was no problem about discussing it here. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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