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Re: [B7L] Re:Thread hi-jacking
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Helen wrote: > Not *all* serious posters (at least, I think I fall under that heading)! You're absolutely right. That should have read "some" serious posters. Bad wording on my part. Sorry. > I stuck up for the right of anyone to make their own responses to > serious threads. You did indeed. And did it gently, which I appreciated. Yours was one of the calming voices. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Technical problem
by Deborah Day 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- >I'm not getting all posts, or Lysts, in proper order. That is; I'm >getting responses before the originating posts. Also, several times I'm >seeing more than one copy of the same post. >Are others having this problem or is it just on my end? > I've been having this too - not so much the order, as I get the digest, but I get later digests before earlier ones, and some are duplicated. Debbie

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penguins
by Deborah Day 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- There was an item on the radio today saying that the number one killer of people in zoos is (not surprisingly) lions and tigers, but the number two killer is ... penguins. I had no idea. Debbie.

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Re: Tarriel Cells (was: RE: [B7L] Thread hijacking (was Re: Sally-speak))
by Dana Shilling 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Peter Borg asked absorbingly: > > I wonder, is every tarriel cell linked to every other, or is there some kind > of networking/routing protocol? Based on what we see in canon, it probably involves frequent application of laser probes, since nothing else works for five minutes without sticking a screwdriver into it. -(Y)

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Re:thread hijacking, etc.
by Helen Krummenacker 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

> I'm sorry that it's taken me so long to say something. I'm especially sorry > because I very much enjoy Penny and she's not posted a single thing to the > lyst since then. Maybe because she was hurt by the words. Not everyone > complains in public when they've been hurt. Or maybe because she was hurt > that no spoke up in her defense. I hope she's still here to read this. > > Carol Mc I was upset by the post Carol Mc quoted from Neil, but said nothing specific about it because I was upset by a lot of what was going on at about the same time, and because Neil's posts suggest he wouldn't care if I had said anything. He takes pride in being obstreporous sometimes. I didn't think Penny might interpret silence as a support for him, as I have frequently praised her. One of the main reasons I've been so upset about the list arguements lately is that people who I had been in the habit of respecting, such as Neil, said things to other people I found distressing. I'd rather put up with trolls than a things getting nasty between people I know. I also want to thank everyone for trying to calm things down-- it's been a lot better the last few days. As you can see, I'm willing to open my mouth again.

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Re: [B7l] The Gospel
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

My response to this post has somehow gone astray. Rewriting/reposting here: > actual email: > KNOCK KNOCK > There's a handsome wolf at the door. Let him > in and he > will take away everything, including your > reason for > living, and then leave you to die. > Deliverance is not sexist-- it is not > imperialist-- it > is not misogynistic-- it's a test. Only the > victim > will find excuses and fight to open the door > and let > the wolf in. Even when the truth is spelt out > to them. > THINK.... WHICH ARE YOU-- WOLF OR SHEEP? > Wendy Thanks for reposting that, that's useful to have. > the thread. For what it's > worth, this was the post that irritated me > most and I believe others must > have reacted in the same way because despite > Mr. Little's own interpretation Please! Call me Shane! > this struck me as a direct criticism of > failing to understand (despite the > truth being spelt out to me) that I am making > excuses to accept an existing > paradigm (and based on the handsome wolf- > leave to die reference one > directly referring to the poster's position > on sexism of the episode) > because I am a sheep. Reading it back, I can see how that post might, coming at the time it did, have been problematic for many. However, one interesting thing about it is that it states that "Deliverance is not sexist, misogynist [etc]" Which suggests that this post can't be an assertion that anyone who doesn't see Deliverance as sexist is stupid, since by definition that would include Wendy herself. The crux of the matter as I see it lies in the "Wolf or Sheep" question. As I said, I believe the answer to be "both,"-- after all, in Deliverance itself and in the Deliverance thread, everybody acted like wolves and like sheep at different times. That's what it is to be human. The nature of riddles is to be obscure, and to require analysis to puzzle out the meaning. Which is what I am trying to do here. Shane "We were bait in a trap you laid for him, Avon"--Soolin

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Re:Thread hi-jacking
by Helen Krummenacker 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

> > But I have seen the serious-posters suggest that interruptions aren't > permissible. Not *all* serious posters (at least, I think I fall under that heading)! I stuck up for the right of anyone to make their own responses to serious threads. > aybe I'm missing something, which is quite possible, especially since I'm > not an Avon Luster... But I've not seen Avon Lusters request that other fans > not interrupt their threads. They may not like it. Actually, most of them seem to take it very well. After all, Tarrant-lusters and Travis-lusters often interrupt Avon-Lust to promote their own favorite. A.S.K.S. members have been known to try to put an Avon-lust thread into their own spin, which is an emotional/mental kindred feeling. Neither of which I've seen done for a while, but it never caused any trouble that I remember.

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Re: [B7l] The Gospel
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

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Technical problem
by Helen Krummenacker 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

I'm not getting all posts, or Lysts, in proper order. That is; I'm getting responses before the originating posts. Also, several times I'm seeing more than one copy of the same post. Are others having this problem or is it just on my end?

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance (was: Gospel)
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Seems my original reply on the subject went astray, not sure how. Anyway, since I was away at the time of the original thread and only caught the tail end, I'd just like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to give my two penneth on the episode. > I see 'Deliverance' as a defining episode for > Avon. I see it as a significant, but not necessarily defining, one. An episode that brought > one more dimension to his character. This is > over-simplifying, but I see a > 'kinder, gentler' Avon here. Which is way out > of character for what we've > seen up to this point. Actually, I don't see anything out of character in Avon's actions at all. Avon, while proving his leadership abilities to Blake, manages to lose Jenna; to save face, he returns and strikes a bargain with one of the natives in exchange for shelter and help finding her--notice that he doesn't help Meegat, other than by switching the lights on, until he knows Jenna is safe. It's not unknown for him to agree to provide a service in exchange for the help he needs to achieve his own ends, nor, for that matter, to fancy a woman. Just as 'Aftermath' > showed us that Avon does have > some social manners and that he can be a > gracious guest, Well, we've always been told that Avon is above all a civilized man, and since he was in the house of a fellow rebel who admires his work, he was hardly likely to smash up the furniture and rape the Mellanby women... > But in this case, I felt he was genuinely > touched by Meegat's pathetic, There's something pathetic about her, it's true... > selfless devotion to the prophecy and by her > genuine innosence. Hang on, though, I think there's something deeper here. Operating from the hypothesis that Deliverance is a riddle, a test if you will, I think Meegat can be seen as (forgive me, feminist faction) the bait in the trap. The Fathers, we learn, needed a man (Meegat is looking for a Lord, not just anyone) with the skills to fire off the rocket-- an outworlder, presumably, as the local population don't seem up to the task. Now, if that man is the sort to fire off the rocket out of the goodness of his own heart, then all he needs is someone to point him in the right direction. Most people, however, need a little more incentive than that. Furthermore, you don't want him sticking around afterwards, or talking to too many people while he's there. Messiahs who hang about after they save the world can be dangerous. And the Fathers were very aware that their Messiah was only a man, and thus that whatever action he took after he'd fired off the rocket, he could never come up to people's expectations. Consequently, you set up a scenario in which your technical expert is greeted by a pretty young woman with a request for help, and who knows how to identify the man with the skills needed to fire off the rocket. By appealing to his erotic rather than his intellectual or other faculties, you ensure that he'll stick around long enough to do the task, but that he won't hang about for too long afterwards; as the great poet said, cookin' lasts and kissin' don't. A much more sensible approach than that of the society in 'Time Squad,' whose aggressive attitude got their gene bank thrown into the void for their pains. When Avon enters the cave he is initially wary. However, Meegat, by appealing to his ego, holds his interest long enough for him to work out that a bargain of mutual benefit can be struck. While he works, he has contact with no one from the Cephlon society--which might reveal the hero's feet of clay--other than Meegat. And yes, there does seem to be an attraction between them during this-- but evidently not one with a strong enough pull to keep him there or to cause him to take her with him. By leaving, however, Avon frees the population. He has to disillusion poor Meegat in doing so, of course. But by disillusioning her, he leaves her and her society free to get on with their lives, post-prophecy.

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