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Re Gay subtext
by Steve Rogerson 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Fiona said: "Willow and Tara are a couple--but we don't see them in bed together" Yes we do, at least once. There is a policy however that we can't see them kiss, but in the dream episode at the end of season four we hear them kiss! -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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List question
by Isobel Hamilton 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Sorry to bother everyone with this.. I wouldn't except that I noticed Calle is off to London, and so probably away from his email. So maybe someone could mail me with the answer? How do I go about getting on to the Freedom City and Spin lists? (As if I wasn't getting enough mail at the moment as things are!) Thanks, Isobel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Sally-speak
by Tavia Chalcraft 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Calle wrote: >If you attended Iain's "Acting lessons from B7 and B5" >workshop, you got to see an alternatively acted version >of Anna's death scene, withme as Anna and Una as Avon. Which was massively better acted than the original, though I still have slight trouble adjusting my image of Avon to someone even shorter than me and with even redder hair... Tavia

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See you in a while!
by Calle Dybedahl 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

And now I'm off to England. I'll see some of you at Redemption, I hope. Play nice while I'm away, kids. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle(a)lysator.liu.se "Last week was a nightmare, never to be repeated - until this week" -- Tom, a.s.r

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Re: [B7L] We have been Redeemed
by Tavia Chalcraft 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Una & Harriere: >The facts: Sheridan assassinated. ... >Blake's 7 movie shown to tumultuous applause at closing ceremony. And Neil Faulkner declared official Redemptive fluffy bunny. Tavia

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Una and Jarriet hit IMDB
by Una McCormack 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Could this be the Platonic film...? "Trenchcoat" (1983) Cast (in credits order), awaiting verification David Suchet .... Inspector Stagnos Ronald Lacey .... Princess Aida Emanuel Abela .... Man at Museum Post Card Rack Margaret von Brockdorff .... Nun Ruth Borthwick .... Nun Freda Camilleri .... Nun Lilly Harding .... Nun Anthony Spiteri .... Bald Man Joe Quattromani .... Man in Fez Eddie Baldacchino .... Wheelman at Dragonara Casino Joe Coppini .... Fish Monger HARRY JONES .... Man with Duffle Bag And to prove we're not lying... http://us.imdb.com/Credits?0086476

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We have been Redeemed
by Una McCormack 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Bleary-eyed, but somehow very happy nonetheless... Yes, back from Redemption. The facts: Sheridan assassinated. Servalan still Ruler of the Universe. Babylon XI beat Blake's XI by three wickets (full scores and report to come). Radio plays declared canon shock. Blake acquitted... but held for psychiatric treatment. Michael Sheard in Moondisc Massacre. Gareth Thomas turned down offer of pint. Andromedans capture boulevard. Sheridan not dead after all. Blake's 7 movie shown to tumultuous applause at closing ceremony. Una and Harriere

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Re: Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Fiona Moore 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Moore <nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: <moore(a)britishlibrary.net> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance) > > --- Mac4781(a)aol.com wrote: > From: Mac4781(a)aol.com > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was > > Deliverance) > > To: blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se > > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:39:29 EST > > > > Perhaps so, but I don't think you are being fair. > > Perhaps you haven't been > > involved in other h/c discussions. Fans of h/c > > aren't just responding to the > > current thread, they are responding to repeated > > misinterpretations of the > > genre. This has all happened many times before. As > > in someone not into the > > genre decides to analyze what the genre is about. Minor point of order here. I'm decidedly not unfamiliar with H/C, and neither are most of the rest of the anti-faction (see Neil's long list of examples). I've read quite a few stories in the genre, although I wouldn't call myself "into" it (just that frankly you can't *avoid* it if you're into reading fanfic) > > And the next step in the > > thread usually has people not into h/c telling h/c > > fans why they read or > > write h/c. > > > > I would liken it to a non-parent telling me what > > parenting is all about and > > why I became a parent. (I have four children.) Fair point :). However, while I'm not a parent, I am an anthropologist. As part of my professional activities, I go to groups of people of which I am not a member, and study them as an outsider. I cannot ever become a gay man who is a drag-show fan, or a German merchant banker (both subcultures which I have studied), and so my perspective on drag-show fandom and German merchant banking is quite different to theirs; however, it is generally agreed (including by the people I study) that an outsider to the culture can provide valuable insights into the culture which the insider lacks, simply by virtue of being an outsider. I've also had a certain amount of psychological training, which is where I was coming from when I said I saw sadomasochistic elements in H/C. > > But it's not S/M, as Tavia's well-written post has > > explained. What I don't > > understand is why she would have to go into such an > > in-depth explanation. > > Why can't those who do participate in the genre say > > "It's not S/M" and have > > other fans accept that we know what we're talking > > about it? First of all, Tavia's post didn't convince everyone. Second of all, let me give an example from my fieldwork. When I went into a particular bank, I noticed that there was a sharp ethnic divide-- GErman staff socialised with German staff, English with English staff. However, when I suggested this to people, they tended to say "No! No! We're all a big family!" However, when I provided concrete examples, e.g. informal seating arrangements at lunch, who went to the pub with who, etc., etc., people began to mutter "you have a point..." Just an example of how sometimes the outsider can see what the insider can't. > > I also can't understand why those who don't like h/c > > care to analyze it. For my part, because I'm trying to understand. Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Available for public perusal at http://nyder.r67.net

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Re: [B7L] Wendy-speak/hijacking
by Fiona Moore 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> > And in the same post, Annie made a remark that I really do take offence at: > > So, frankly, the conclusion I > > came to on the other list where I saw these complaints is that some people > > were annoyed that the attention had shifted from *them* and their > > ideas/points/conversation/whatever to someone else. > > This amounts to an accusation of egotism. I can't speak for Fiona I can :)! , but I > personally do not see intellectual debate as an exercise in egotism, it is > simply something I enjoy for its own sake. I'm not telling everyone else > that they should enjoy it too, I'm not trying to set any kind of benchmark, > I simply want to pursue my own kind of fun in my own way with like-minded > people and without unwanted distraction and interruption from others who > don't enjoy that kind of thing. And I honestly don't think that's a great > deal to ask for. This is *exactly* my opinion, and I've felt a little hurt by some of the posts suggesting that I'm a strait-laced old so-and-so who doesn't want anyone else to have fun. I like, and sometimes participate, in "fun" threads (check the archive, but I'm pretty sure I was the one who initiated the Thania's Boots thread last year). But I also enjoy debate for its own sake, and the threads that usually get me going are the "serious" ones. I'd also like to take this opportunity to point out to some people who seem to misunderstand that a debate doesn't always construe an attack on someone/thing. In the sciences, social and otherwise, knowledge advances through one person setting up a theory and everyone else trying to knock it down-- if the theory withstands all counterarguments, fine, but if a hole is poked in it, then some form of modification is called for. So if, for instance, somebody says "the Federation is a fascist state," I am going to take that opportunity to critically examine that statement in the light of what is known about fascism, whether there are alternative ideologies which might provide a better analogy, etc. etc. I am not trying to suggest that people who take the first point of view are stupid, or even that the first point of view is totally without merit-- although if I manage to prove in a number of ways that the Federation isn't fascist, I might be a little put out by people still saying "doesn't count, cos *I* interpret it as fascist, whether it was intended to be or not." > If anything, it's the funsters (who I do not consider nitwits, whatever > Penny might say) Me neither. Just occasionally tactless :). Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Available for public perusal at http://nyder.r67.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [B7L] penguins
by Mac4781＠aol.com 26 Feb '01

26 Feb '01

Looking left and right... Calle isn't back yet, right? This is off topic... Debbie wrote: > There was an item on the radio today saying that the number one killer of > people in zoos is (not surprisingly) lions and tigers, but the number two > killer is ... penguins. I had no idea. I never would have thought. What interesting information. The penguin is the mascot for the sports teams at our local university. When in contact with friends who are fans of rival teams, I've often teased them with "Beware, our fierce Penguins will be in your town soon." Never thinking penguins were indeed fierce. <g> Carol Mc

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