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Re: [B7L] a request (was: Sally-speak)
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

I'm sorry, I know Calle's the only one authorised to say this, but *please* can we all drop the subject and go back to Blake's 7? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 5:05:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << "Hello, mate." "Wotcha. Have a good weekend?" "Er... yeah. Yeah, it was alright." "Oh yeah. So what have you been up to then?" "Not a lot. Got together with some mates, y'know." "Yeah. And?" "Well, we found ourselves a bit of green, like, and ... er ... well, we kicked a ball around." "Pull the other one!" "No, really, we do it every week." "You're having me on! Kicking a ball around, I ask you." "There's rules and stuff." "Never heard anything so daft in me life. Not on Saturday, I hope." "Well, yeah, it was actually..." "It was pissing down all bleeding day." "Yeah, so? We got a bit muddy, that's all." "You must be out of your bleeding tree. Sounds right daft. And a bit dangerous too if you ask me." "Well, one bloke did break a collar bone, but, y'know, that's just one of the risks, like." "Only broke a collar bone? You ought to be locked up." "Aw, c',mon, mate, it's fun." "Kicking a ball about in the pouring rain and breaking your collar bone? You've got a right twisted idea of fun there, my son. You're well short of normal, you are." "I scored a goal." "You scored a what?" "A goal. Y'know, when you put the ball between these two posts, like." "So you kick a ball about and try and get it between two posts? I guess some people are just easily amused." "There's a bloke there trying to stop you and all. He's called the goalkeeper." "Fancy titles and all, eh?" "We've all got 'em. I'm a right back." "You're a right something, that's for sure. Why don't you do what everyone else does and write a PGP novel..." >> Brilliant, Neil. Absolutely dead on. I've had to bite my tongue all day at my office, where I'm constantly teased about the few fannish pictures I've got in my cubical; but when a bunch of grown people drive their cars around and around and around a track 500 times to a crowd of screaming, beer-soaked 'fans' and one of their number gets himself creamed on the lasts lap, it's a matter of dignity and monumental portent, to be spoken of in hushed, respectful tones. I'll wager that if a cast member of one of our favorite fannish programs died during the filming of a stunt, there would be mockery over a similar sorrow. But hey, that's 'different'. Those folks are nutballs and geeks, right? Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Ashton7: "Henry was/is a nice guy. But, he's just a guy with an opinion, ya know." jj_macqueen: "Zaphod Beeblebrox's psychiatrist: Henry's just zis guy, you know? </Zaphod Beeblebrox's psychiatrist> >> Ashton7: "LOL. Got me." Methos: "What did you expect? Einstein? Freud? Buddha? I'm sorry, Joe. I'm just a guy."

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Ashton7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/18/01 6:07:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << For a supposedly experienced warrior it seems a bit daft to have all limbs exposed to any sharp edge that might be flying around. Mediaeval warriors plastered themselves with every last bit of metal plating they could stand up in (sometimes even two helmets, one on top of the other). Xena (like Conan in the De Laurentiis movies) is all image. >> Er, the Celts fought absolutely naked. And warriors in Xena's "time" wore "skirts." So to speak. Annie

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Re: fandom
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> Doctor Who just didn't interest me enough to > want to get involved and debate it. With a few notable exceptions, the > morality is clear-cut black and white, the aliens evil killers with no > conscience and no motivation other than to rule for the sake of it, the > Doctor the guy in the right who saves the planet. It's fun to watch for 25 > minutes, but what's to discuss? > > Louise Well, that's why it appealled to me when I was 14 and not when I was 24. Even then, I preferred stories some ambiguity, if only because it made more sense. Roger Delgado as the Master wanted to make the universe a more organized place; Anthony Andrews as the Master risked destroying the universe (which would destroy him too). One might be evil, in seeking ultimate power, but had a rationale for it that isn't completely without sense. The other was completely around the twist. My favourite was the 7th Doctor, who hid information and lied to his own companions; paired with Ace, who was 'tainted' and violent. Shades of grey become more compelling with age, I think. I love the way this is reflected in the Harry Potter books (I forgot to include them on my list of fandoms!), where each year Harry becomes more aware that the borders between the good guys and bad aren't very clear.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Excalibur vs B7 fanfic
by Sally Manton 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Neil wrote: <For one thing, I like violent movies (as opposed to IRL).> This is a point that could help here - I *don't*, in fact, I hate graphic film violence, even the not-too-graphic stuff can give me the jitters - Blake being shot, for instance, even if you take out my liking for the character. If fanfic h/c fantasies were on film, I have not the slightest doubt that I'd have the remote out and changing channel so fast it would make your head spin. One of the things I do enjoy in Blake-centred fanfiction is emotional/mental/spiritual hurt (which is, I think you will all agree *extremely* canonical). And there's no doubt that a lot of fans (not all) love Rumours for the emotional torture that Avon goes through (and he does this par excellence in PGPs as well). And - without being flippant - there *is* the fact that Avon-dumping does have strict rules about, in Neil's term 'sanitising' the violence - 'he stays pretty' in the words of a drinking game I once saw. In fanfic it's different to film and RL in that the reader can edit the exact balance of physical to emotional violence, and - though I have read some graphic stuff - it is true that the physical harm is mostly a backdrop for the emotional trauma. In a very real way - because it's *words*, not *images* - it's not real violence.* And emotional trauma is after all a staple of drama anyway ... Yes, I've seen artistic renditions of Avon having been hurt, but again, it is *art*, not film - a drawing, however beautifully done (hi, Val!) not a photo. So one *can* ignore the RL implications and concentrate on the fantasy. Does this all make sense to anyone? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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prejudices (was Sally-speak)
by Marian de Haan 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Wendy wrote: >The answer to all your prejudices against Tarrant is to stop reading bad fanfic.< *All* my prejudices against Tarrant? You mean my seeing him as a character with some flaws among his virtues? If that's your definition of prejudice then I have a lot of prejudices against all the characters, especially Avon. :-) Marian

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Re: [B7L] fannishness
by Ellynne G. 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:28:42 -0800 Mistral <mistral(a)centurytel.net> writes: > I'm having trouble maintaining any interest in Xena since Joxer died > (Joxer being a bit of a cross between Vila and Jarriere). Glad I'm not alone on this. Although I was also getting tired of some of the more weird storylines (Xena's daughter and the Twilight of the Gods is just . . . painful). As for armor - In civilizations where weapons haven't been invented that make armor obsolete, armor is a good thing to have in battle. Some Celts did wear armor but it was generally expensive and hard to come by. They did use protective runes that probably had some psychological benefit but, theological issues aside, that was it. Greek armor came from a period when the moveable joints design had yet to be introduced. It protected major organs, but blood loss and beheading were still issues (skipping all those spears going through all those breatplates in the first bit of the Illiad). Leather skirts, particularly with some metal overlay, could help protect the lower body without overly hindering movement. Leather, in and of itself, offered more protection than cloth (point to remember in its practical, B7 application. The characters may not have like all the skinned knees they were getting following fearless leader over cliffs, quarries, etc). Then, there are people who may or may not have limited metal resources but who didn't seem to have gotten to much into body armor before bullets were introduced. Enough said. As for Xena, the question is why, if she wears armor at all, she wears armor that doesn't seem to protect much. Also, why do _men_ in her culture wear armor that does? There are two competing theories. 1) Xena and other warrior women belong to a mutant strain of humanity who keep their major organs in rather odd, compact spaces and who have arteries and veins with shut off valves that make bleeding to death less of a concern. Note: this is a sex linked mutation. While Conan seems to have inherited it, few other males have. Or, 2) They have found the distraction effect of dressing this way has on their (usually male) opponents gives them a significant edge in battle that outweighs the costs. This would also explain why few homely or even average looking women become warriors. If it's 1, Mutoids may have a similar condition, explaining why more are female. Actually, the trait seems common in many people who decide to become rebels or such, given the bizarre frequency with which otherwise competent marksmen fail to injure them significantly, making yet another way Blake might have survived. If his organs are where Xena's are, it was only a flesh wound. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fandom
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/20/01 12:30:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, calle(a)lysator.liu.se writes: << Why? I found it quite good when I read it. Not perfect, of course, but there seemed to be a lot of good thinking in it. >> Jenkins wasn't regarded as 'bad'; his work just came across as as a bit pretentious and his theories were sometimes spot on, sometimes way out in left field, and sometimes from another planet. It was never given much weight as a whole, because he often generalizes when almost every fan has different motivations and inspiration than every other fan on almost everything (one only has to hang out on a typical mailing list for a few days to discover this). Read from beginning to end, you often spot areas where his conclusions seem to be drawn on thin sampling of the fannish milieu in general. I suppose Jenkins was trying to isolate a phenomenon which might be a bit more universal than any of us suppose. Leah

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Re: Excalibur vs B7 fanfic
by Helen Krummenacker 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

> Er, if I recall correctly, the woman isn't actually wearing anything... > > Okay, it's silly. But how can you write off this beautiful pre-Raphaelite > movie on the basis of one silly scene in over two hours when you're a fan of > a series with at leas How can you complain about women writing about Avon Suffering (NOT my preference in fanfic, either), but love a movie where a woman is raped by a man wearing spikey armour and making it, thereby, even worse? And call it beautifully Pre-Raphaelite? I love pre-Raphaelite paintings, but they focus on the moments of romance or religion rather than violence.

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